How Religion Applies to Your Everyday Life - Mind Over Matter Podcast #35

weary eyed depressed.


The cheetahs walking around like

like, no, they're not.
They're not fat though.

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Not fat.

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No.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Aren't the good stuff.

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Least they're skinny.

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All right, everybody.

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Welcome back.

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We got Jordan here.

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Met him in a discord helped us

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quite a bit with our discords.

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Um, pretty much all my discord

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knowledge is from him.

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So he's the one that made me

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realize that community building

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within discourse, a real thing.

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Um, it's, I believe it could be

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that really the actual virtual

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platform that we bring everyone

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together on.

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So I'm excited to see what we

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can do.

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Um, Jordan, thanks for coming on

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cav.

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How we're feeling today, man.

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You know, I'm good.

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I wish I got the memo about the

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purple hoodie, but, uh, no, I'm

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good.

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Other than getting my, my ass

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handed to me in Texas, hold them

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just now.

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I, uh, I'm doing pretty good.

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How are you doing?

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Good Jordan.

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How you feeling, man?

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I'm good.

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I'm fresh.

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I just had dinner.

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So I'm good.

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Oh, what the heck?

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Just had dinner.

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Yeah.

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So we'll start there, man.

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Where are you from?

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What time zone you in?

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I'm from the UK.

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So we're in GMT right now.

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So it's about what time is it?

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Cool.

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Past eight.

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Okay.

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When GMT isn't that the general

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one?

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I feel like that's right.

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When it's time.

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Yeah, for us, it's mountain time.

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Yeah.

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I feel like that's everything

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that I, uh, it's like the default

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on everything that I have to change.

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At the beginning of time.

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You guys are?

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Yeah.

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In the middle.

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Where about in the UK are you?

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I live in Birmingham, which is like

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two hours north of London.

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How is it over there?

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Like all things considered.

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Crap hole.

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What do you mean a crap hole?

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I think the US is kind of a crap hole.

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But like what is crap hole by Europeans?

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It's like, it's like America, but just

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intensified and more depressing.

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Oh, intensified.

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Oh no.

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What do you mean?

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I thought that was Canada.

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It's like, it's like concentrated

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in this tiny little island of

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wokeness and random.

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Is that, I know you're not the biggest

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media guy.

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Is that like what you see firsthand

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like in the street?

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That's what you kind of just

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realizes what the hell is going on

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or like a cultural as a whole is moving.

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I think as a whole, I mean,

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the town I live in, like,

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it'll go by a shopping center

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and everyone is weary eyed.

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The press, the cheetahs walking around

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like, no, they're not fat though.

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Not fat.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Aren't the good stuff.

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At least they're skinny.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In the press basically.

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And I mean, the teeth over there,

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a little, you know, oh, it's a coin flip.

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They are not known for their dentistry.

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Or are we wrong?

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No, it's true.

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It's not like, I guess, because we're talking

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about mental health a bit.

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It's not like you meet someone and like

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they go through depression.

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It's almost just like there's a blanket of

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just people depressed, right?

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The whole like culture, the town, the air,

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just really rainy there.

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Like there's not much sun.

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Very cloudy, very rainy.

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About y'all's food.

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I hear that's not very good.

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Oh man.

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So why are you still there?

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Why are you still there?

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Oh, yo dude.

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Like all these questions personally,

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I would still not be there.

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I would have left.

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There's no sun and the food sucks.

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Yeah.

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Like what are you staying there for?

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Everyone's depressed.

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The food sucks.

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Well, well, other than my family being here,

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I mean, we desperately want to move.

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And my wife, she's from Cape Town, South Africa.

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And obviously there it's super sunny.

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Food's amazing.

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Mountains, ocean.

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So that's a dream.

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It's just, yeah.

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Cape Town, South Africa.

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I heard they don't take too kindly to white folk around.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Well, I heard that about the UK too, bro.

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I'm going to keep it a sec.

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I see like things on Twitter and it's like saying the UK,

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like it's all like they import a bunch of immigrants from everywhere.

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How true is that?

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100%.

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Yeah.

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What's the culture like?

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If you go to a shop, like you get to like a Subway or a McDonald's or I don't know,

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just like your bog standard jobs, you won't meet an English person.

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What the fuck?

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Go to get you some chips.

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Chip.

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Yeah, like when the queen died, I saw a lot of fucking white people at her funeral,

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but then like I see a picture of a classroom in the UK.

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It was like, like two white guys in that whole class.

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Yeah, they're taking over to be fair, but I mean, that's just the morals that our country lies on.

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I mean, we just accept all cultures, I guess.

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That's cool.

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I mean, we were just talking about that.

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I mean, South Africa is interesting.

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Yeah.

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You been there?

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Have you been over to where your wife's from?

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Yeah, it's interesting because my wife's mom survived the apartheid.

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Like her, she got kicked out of her home because, you know, the whites wanted to live there

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and she was split up from her family on the beaches because

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she was a different color to her siblings, like serious stuff.

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And, you know, people say that's like eradicated now, but even now, like we went in December

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and you can still see signs of like white privilege and, you know, generally speaking,

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white people are like the bougie rich people.

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And South Africa, I could still like that.

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What was the apartheid? It was like a state where only white people could go?

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The apartheid was basically a government,

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how do I explain, like essentially the government movement where they wanted to accommodate for

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white people. So they just kicked out all the colored people, all the black people from

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all of their homes that they built and sent them into like concentration camps, basically.

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Oh, like far away.

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How mass was this? Because I've heard of the name, but no one talks about it.

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So how many people were actually a part of this?

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The whole country.

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Holy shit.

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I didn't think there was that many white people in South Africa to like even do.

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Oh, no, dude, South Africa there. I had a dude, 88, my truck driver in my

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AIT, my training for the army.

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And he was South African, but like as what not like super white, but probably about white as me.

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I just had a different accent.

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You think the thing you need to know is that the reason it's called South Africa is because

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it's not a nation of one people. It's not like England. They've labeled it South Africa because

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they've literally just mashed up a group of people. Because you got like colonizers from England,

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from the Netherlands, and then they bought and obviously the original tribal people.

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Then they brought over a ton of Chinese, then a ton of Japanese came over.

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Like it's just like.

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That's why it's called Southern Africa.

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They're just bringing in everyone. Why were they importing so many people?

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Um, lack of workforce.

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Oh,

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I had diamonds there and also.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're super rich in the natural resources area.

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You play civilization. That's like the most fun play to play.

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What most fun place to play because it's like as hard as it gets, but you have all the resources.

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You literally have all the resources, but you're in the, in the middle of the desert

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and everyone else is enjoying life.

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Everywhere else.

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But that's like what I think is happening here in the U S is they're bringing in a bunch of people.

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Yeah, no, we were just talking about it yesterday. It's almost like you could bring out, you could

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bring in, you could bring in people. That's not a problem as a nation where the problem

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lies is when those people start taking over the roles of the people currently living in the nation

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or affecting the people currently living in the nation.

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The issue is assimilation.

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The issue is assimilation. I think like it wouldn't be a problem if a Joe immigrant comes over from

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Columbia and like has American values. Like that's not an issue. It's the people that come over here

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and want to institute their home country's policies in the U S.

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You see that as a big problem in the like the Asian community within raising children.

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They try to, they try to, I just learned about this in psych class. They try to instill their

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Asian beliefs in American society. So now their children are growing up around the American beliefs

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but are being told at home that this is what like, this is our culture. This is what we do.

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And it's hard for them to get rid of what they believe in already. Like, and especially moving

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from a place like Asia, like those people are hardheaded in their, their culture. They strongly

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believe in what they believe in. And there's almost like, there's almost no wiggle room, just,

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just like the Muslims, right? Kind of, we were just talking about that the other day.

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Look at the UK right now. They're not assimilating anyone coming into that country. Am I wrong?

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Wrong.

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That I think is, and it's so many people too. It's like if the current immigration rates keep

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up with the U S right by the end of Joe Biden's first term would be one fifth of America or

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of people in America or here illegally, like a whole fifth of the nation.

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Yeah. I wonder where Britain's at. Do you know where Britain's at over there?

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I don't know. I mean, we've been from like, you know, British everything to Indian this and Chinese

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that and just the way it goes. Are many people talking about like leaving the UK or?

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Um, well, sorry. Um, not that I know of. I think they're all just

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talking their way kind of like, yeah, I bought my house. I've got my mortgage now.

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Yeah. That's America's way too. It's like we were born here. You know, we're around here. Why are

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we going to go out when all our life we've been told America is the best, like that, you know,

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like we're why are we going to go anywhere else when we've been told our whole life that we're

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the best in this, this, this, and this, which it may be true, may not be true, but that's what you

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you are raised on the belief that you don't have to go anywhere else because America is the best

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place to be. I did want to get into the, uh, the whole queen thing though over in America for the

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people who don't know, would you mind explaining the queen situation in like what actually happened

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when she died? And I guess you could go into a little bit more of your bat, your faith background

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and a little bit more of your religious background, but cause that's how I know you on Twitter. I love

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following you on Twitter because you have, you are the moral ground of faith. Like I know if this guy

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is saying something, I know it aligns with the Bible and his faith. And I need to take that into

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consideration because I don't follow, I don't follow a specific faith. I I'm kind of, I'm just

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a more spiritual person. So for the people out there, just your faith, your background and faith,

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and then just a little bit on the queen, if you can. So yeah, I mean,

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yeah, I was speaking to you earlier about it. I kind of just walked in the church my whole life,

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so I didn't know anything better or anything different. Um, but then kind of when I got to my

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rebellious stages, let's say, and had girlfriends and wanted to do whatever I wanted, I was like,

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forget church. And it's kind of like the moment I, the moment I left and was like,

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I don't want anything to do with this. Um, I seriously had like this moment in my

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bedroom of like, you know, just kind of realizing all the bad stuff I've done.

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And like seriously though, and um, I knew obviously growing up in the church, I kind of knew the

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basis of the Bible and who Jesus was and the point of it all. And so kind of one thing added

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up to the next and realized all the crap, realized how, you know, kind of, I don't know, explain just

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like how nothing I was almost, but I'm basically this realization that there is a God.

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And then that's the kind of point I, you know, attribute to my faith starting in Jesus and God.

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You're at a low point, you're like, man, all this shit's going on.

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loving life the most, kind of doing whatever I wanted, you know, partying and seeing goals and

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drinking and whatever. It could be a problem.

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And yeah. I mean, I was like hiding it from my parents and hiding it from my friends and

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church people or whatever. And yeah, that's the kind of the moment I had. And then since then,

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it's definitely been an up and down journey, kind of changing theological stance. I mean,

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the church, especially in England and America, is just so messed up, like unbelievably messed up.

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And yeah, it's kind of like I went from this journey of like

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removing myself from all these teachers and pastors and preachers that I've heard.

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And now I'm kind of like what they call reformed. And basically that just means like going back to

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the exactly what the Bible says and trying not to think about my feelings or what the

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culture is saying and just be like, this is what it says. This is what we're going to believe in.

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That's the end of it. And then the next thing I do is I'm going to be like,

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this is what I believe in. That's the end. Thank you very much.

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That's like my issue with like churches. A lot of them is like, you're, you're relying on

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someone's interpretation of what the Bible says. Yeah. And it puts, it puts a bad, bad rap on

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the actual faith part of things. When a church comes along and does something, whatever it may

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be, even the molestation stuff amongst priests, that puts a bad rap on the whole faith and the

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idea of religion, especially in a church of Christians or Catholics, you know, these, these,

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these are the foundings of kind of who we are as white people were kind of aligned with that.

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And now you have this kind of like tainted almost thing. And now people are calling it

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cults because it's getting that kind of bad where the interpretation is up to the church.

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And now the church on top of that here in America, the church aren't paying taxes

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and that will get anybody's fucking blood boiling. So we can talk about actually, because that's,

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that's, that's a relevant subject because reason allegations, which is very, I'm sure you'd be

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interested in, but yeah, like I was going to say, like you could go to five different churches in,

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in this city that I'm in and they'd all teach you something different from the same Bible verse.

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And that's where it kind of just goes crazy. Like Christians, I think get shit on the most out of

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any church. Yeah. Like you think the Muslims and the Jews don't molest people take that. You have

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this thing like with the Catholic church, how they touch kids. And it's like, look at, look at

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public school teacher rates of the same thing. And they're like 10 times higher. But why do we

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focus on the Christian's part? It's like the crusades too. People will talk about that. Like

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we just woke up one day and thought, you know, let's do that. Like, I'm sorry, dude, but like,

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I think Christianity is the most targeted religion, at least.

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Six people got killed because they're Christian. And then we did a chart and then America did a

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and then we did a chart and then America did a happy transgender day. Swear to God. Like that's

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not a prime example. I don't know what it is. I'm saying,

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Kevin always brings this up to me because I, so I grew up with very little religious background.

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I remember a couple of days we went to church. I could remember the day I was in my sister's

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like in my sister's room and we were all getting ready to go to church. And that was really the

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only thing I had aligned with church. So Kevin's kind of been my go to faith guy and he's helped me

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gain faith and get into the religion aspect of life. Because I was thinking a little more

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spiritually and then all growing up. And then in today's society, the religion is kind of getting

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talked out on just because it's religion and all the stories are out or whatever the news says or

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anything like that. But I couldn't, I couldn't imagine Kevin brought this up to me. I couldn't

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imagine something like that happening to Muslims and Muslims being fine with it. Christians are

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just going to be okay. Or Catholic Christians are going to be okay. You know, maybe you could go into

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a little bit of difference with the Catholic and Christians. I know it's a little harder on the

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Catholic end of things, but just for, just cause it's not being taught is the problem. And for me

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being 20, 24, I could have looked it up. I could have gone anywhere and looked it up, but there's

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no better source than someone going to church and someone actually doing it. So,

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well, Catholics and Christians are very different. Um, you know, obviously the Catholic churches,

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they have a Pope. So, and, um, so they believe they have more than one,

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essentially they believe they have more than one mediator between them and God.

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Okay. So they believe they can, you know, go to a confession and confess their sins.

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And that's how they're forgiven of their sins. Whereas Christians believe, you know, they can

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just speak to God and get forgiven of their sins. Secondly, like Christians just pray to God.

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Whereas, um, the Catholic's whole thing is the idea of mother Mary and, um, they kind of worship

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this Mary figure because she was the mother of Jesus. Um, uh, which also leads to their faith is

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very much based on what they do on earth. So basically they believe that, um, they will get

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to heaven if they do these good works. So they have to do, they have to confess all the time.

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They have to pray to Mary. They have to basically love people and do what essentially what Christians

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would do to get to heaven. Whereas Christians, um, are completely justified by God. As soon as

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they're saved, it doesn't matter. Technically, it doesn't matter what they do. They're always going

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to be saved. And so no matter what they do, whether it's good, bad, it doesn't matter.

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They're not justified by their works. They're justified by their faith. Um, and that's kind of

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the major differences. Christianity has less rules. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like

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you can kind of, you could see how legalistic you said legalistic, the Catholic. Yeah. The

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Catholic, what they call legalistic is rules and it's paid to heaven by following x, y, z.

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Yeah. Would you like go about determining, like if I was, uh, becoming a Christian, let's say,

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how would I, how would you like guide me, I guess, or like help me in finding a denomination?

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Well, cause there's like nine and there's about 600. There's like 600. You know what I'm saying?

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This is why we need to hear. Well, um, the, in my humble opinion, the most solid in terms of like

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biblical churches are Baptist or Presbyterian churches. Um, they don't have any fluff or, um,

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sparkly edges. They don't over hype things. It's very just much like in, read the Bible,

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preach the Bible, go home. Uh, and that, that I'm in a Baptist church and that's exactly what it's

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like. So if, if I was speaking to someone who was interested or just became a Christian,

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that's where I'd point them towards.

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What are we, what about like, uh, Orthodox Christianity?

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I don't really know about them. To be honest, I was watching a 60 minutes special a few weeks

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ago and it's about these Orthodox Christian monks, right?

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And these cats are posted up onto this Island in Greece called Mount Athos. And it is, they go so

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hard with the prayer, dude, like they'll pray over eight hours a day. Like, wow. It's what

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fascinates me so much about it is that they've been doing it like this for like 2000 years.

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What they have doing, the only thing that's changed is the way they're doing it.

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So it's almost like a time machine. Like, yeah. How many, how many people can like you look at

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and say they were doing the same thing 2000 years ago? Yeah. Like I always thought, you know,

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like I'll be like, uh, like kind of a non-denominational Christian, but like if I want

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to go be more into it, I'm going to just go be a Mount Athos monk.

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Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

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I see a lot of issues that you kind of really have to look, go to the church and actually

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see what they believe in. Cause you can go to one non-denominational church and it will be like

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a woman pastor who's trans affirming, gay affirming kind of wild party holding like,

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I don't even know Phil Collins concert. I don't know. So that's what came to my head.

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And then the next person will be like this, uh, old fashioned Christian man who just wants to sing

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old hymns that you probably would have sung in school. So kind of like, I was just go there and

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find out. You can't really just go to Mount Athos. It was like a whole process to like,

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like, because you get like a lifetime membership and there's no women on this whole island,

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not allowed. So why would you choose that if you were going to choose one?

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Because dude, like I feel as like a part, I don't say partial religious, but like,

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you know, a non-denominational Christian, right? Like that's working for me right now. But if there

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was something like a calling that I felt compelled to pursue, I would feel best going to the place

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that it's like you said, Jordan, like it's the most unaltered, I guess. Like it's the rawest

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form of the religion. So if I want to pursue a higher level of my, my religion, I'm going to go,

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you know, straight there with the sources. Like I told my dad, like if my mom and my wife die,

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or not die, like disappear, I don't know, whatever, we're both going to just go to Mount

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Athos and become monks there. Like it's cool. We got, we'll, we'll link a YouTube documentary

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down below if you want to check it out. But it is, it's interesting. Like when the dude went there,

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they had all this cool stuff. And he's like, y'all got a museum, the interview guy, he's like, well,

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no, it's not a museum for us. It's still living. Like it's not history, because it's what they

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still are. Yeah. And like, there's one part of the video where, spoiler alert, what happens when you

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die on Mount Athos, right? I don't know what they do, but they had a, like a little fucking area in

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one of these fields, right? And it was just skulls, like over like a thousand of them, dude.

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And the dude, the monk that was explaining was happy. He's like, yeah, I consider these my future

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neighbors. Like it is such a, I don't know, like these people seem so like powered by the religion

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because it was such a raw thing for them. Because they're not scared of anything. They're not.

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Okay. This dude, this monk that they were interviewing, right? His dad was dying back in the U S and

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the dad asked the monk, the dad asked the monk to come see him again. The monk said no.

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And the reporter asked, and he's like, well, I know we're going to see each other again.

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So why would I do that? I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, sorry for interrupting, but my,

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my wife has had like this cough for like three months and she's got to go to the scans and

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blood tests and all this. And so we've kind of been like joking, like, Oh, what would you do?

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What would you do if I died? Or what would you do if I died? Or like all these questions that you

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kind of the lovely hypotheticals, the hypotheticals, right? But generally, but generally this is the,

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the crux of the Christian faith is like, there's a verse in the Bible and it says to live is Christ

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and to die is gain. And what that means is like the life to come is so much better than the life

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now. Not, but the life now has meaning and purpose because we're here to glorify God, but

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the life to come is way better. And so we have no kind of idea of fear or pain or kind of

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almost like being scared of death or anything like that. We don't, we just don't feel it at all.

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That's what's perplexing to me about the people who don't believe in any God. It's like,

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you know, we don't see him, there's no evidence, whatever it's like, okay, say you're right.

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Say you're right. There is nothing after we die that makes death a thousand times more terrifying.

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Yeah, no, I, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, like I'm sorry. I'd rather would rather have than not

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need than need and not have like much. I feel a lot better just believing that something's up there

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watching me and that I have somewhere, somewhere to do somewhere to go something to do when I do

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pass away to where it's not so morbid being right here where I am already. Yeah. It's like, say they

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are right. There is nothing after like, I mean, the hard parts done at that point, like death,

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death is not like death does not like being dead does not scare me. Like being before I was born,

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you know, it's the process of dying that I think frightens the most.

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Yeah. What do you say? Yeah. I think, I mean, I think that stands true for, I don't know, like

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you said, you said you think death, death is what scares you, but the process of dying is what does

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not afraid of being afraid of dying. Yeah. I mean, I don't like, yeah, I would be fine with

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that. Like I, I don't know. I don't, I w the process of death just links to what death is.

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So I feel like I'm not scared of the process of death. I know that I'd be leaning, let's say,

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let's just say I need a lung transplant, some crazy shit. I only have one lung now, and now I

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live on a respirator, whatever it is. And that's the, the starting of the process of death. Well,

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my, the start of my process of death was when I was a child. So I, it's not even, it's not scary.

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Or now that I'm closer to it, it's just more part of the process, but there's like, there's so many

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painful ways to die. Yeah. Let's not get into this. I mean, yeah, of course there is, but no matter

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what the way you go, I mean, I want, I'm curious what Jordan has to say about it. Cause no matter

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what the way I'm dying in, I know whatever it is, you could stay true in your faith that you are

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going to a better place. So you, in my mind, if that is my mindset, then I'm, I'm fine with the

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process of whatever's happening because I know that when I'm done with this, I'll be fine. And

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that's, I mean, maybe that's just because that's the way the army taught me is get this shit done.

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And when you're done with it, you're good to go, but get to get the suffering out the way. And when

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I'm done with it, I'm good to go and I'm dead. And now I can live, live a happier life with my

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grandma and my dogs up there or whatever it is. Yeah. Like I was thinking just now, like whatever

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pain you experience is going to stay with you on earth. Right. Yeah. Like I cut your head off.

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You're not going to be ascending to heaven with no head, man. And it's, you know, and I said this

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from days like day eight, I swear to God from like day eight, I was telling my brothers that pain is

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really nothing. And they're like, dude, are you fucking nuts? Like, yeah, pain is something. And

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I'm telling you, I had this belief ever since I was like, probably like eight years old, that pain

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is really nothing. It's not really anything. It's just like a kind of weird feeling, whatever that

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is to you, whatever pain is to you, that's what whatever. But I was the one in the family known

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for the bruises on my knees because I was a clumsy idiot or whatever it is. I was the dude getting

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the black eyes. I was the dude with the concussions. I was the dude with all this bullshit happening to

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me, the problem child. And I saw the pain as just, you know, it's just part of it. Like it's just

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pain is just another part of life. It's not really a thing because maybe it's because I thought I

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don't know what it was. I honestly don't know what it does. I'm curious what Jordan thinks about all

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of it though, because he said, I had an interesting, interesting view on death, man. What do you see?

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See that? Well, I know that without believing in Jesus, you're going to hate suffering. If I don't

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believe in Jesus, I'm going to hate something. So the implication, yeah, because like you say like,

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I'd rather believe in something than nothing, which is true. I understand. But you believing

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in something doesn't mean you're going to get to that something. And I think when it's artificially

443
00:33:54,220 --> 00:34:00,540
kind of made up in your head since whatever day, when it comes to that point of suffering,

444
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:05,740
when there's people who are around you, your kids, your grandkids, you're going to hate it.

445
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:12,700
But if you know Jesus and you for sure know that there's eternal life,

446
00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:18,780
it's going to make it a bit easier. That was a good way of putting it. That's yeah, that's kind of,

447
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:23,260
yeah, that's kind of how I see it. But I'm not, I don't have a religious background, so I can't

448
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:30,140
talk like in that way because I so this is a good, good kind of segue is like, like kind of how you

449
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:34,620
see the church. What do you see the church as? Do you are you're still attending church?

450
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:42,780
So what do you see? The point of going to church, if you are just without church,

451
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,380
you're a religious man and you're reading the Bible and you're reformed, you're going through

452
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:51,980
the Bible for the phrases that they mean. And then you go back to church. What, why go back to church

453
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:57,580
or why are you in, in that establishment? Because that is a big question in America in general.

454
00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:02,140
Look, I could go read the Bible on my own. I don't need a church to come and tell me what is the

455
00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:11,580
purpose of a church. Okay. Well, it's a, it's an establishment of God rather than

456
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:22,060
buildings and infrastructure. So the church is what they call the bride of Christ. It's essentially

457
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:32,700
like God's people and God's people are commanded to do certain things. Number, the first one is

458
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:39,740
to meet often. Number two is to pray together and number three is to worship.

459
00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:48,300
And also in the Bible, the people that are called to be pastors, leaders, shepherds, all of these people.

460
00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:57,740
So that's why there's church essentially. So it's not technically the building.

461
00:35:57,740 --> 00:36:04,220
You know, everyone is in the church, wherever country you're in.

462
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:10,460
And that church is built up of believers because believers are commanded to meet together.

463
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:17,340
And that so happens to fall on the Sunday, which we believe to be the Sabbath or rest day.

464
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:24,860
And yeah, so that's why I go to church really because it's command given.

465
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:29,340
And the Bible says, if you love the Lord, you keep my commands.

466
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:33,100
And the Bible says, if you love the Lord, you keep my commands.

467
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:38,300
Yeah. I mean, at the very least you're getting a sense of community.

468
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:44,300
It's a great community. Very loving people, as you can imagine.

469
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:50,140
Yeah. That's why I think I'll bring it up again though, is I think being part of any religion

470
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:56,860
is better than being part of them. Like that's where I think like whatever church you're going

471
00:36:56,860 --> 00:37:03,980
to, like people need community, right? And if it's religion, that I think is a lot more of a,

472
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:07,660
it's a lot more positive of a community to be a, to be a part of.

473
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:11,980
Cause like people are going to find community wherever they go. It's like junkies hang out

474
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:18,460
with other junkies. Like, yeah, yeah. One of the best communities.

475
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:24,540
Well, that's, that's where the cult argument comes in.

476
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:28,860
I'm this is a devil at I'm devils advocate here. Like this,

477
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:30,860
you ask whatever questions you want.

478
00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:43,660
It's a community where everyone comes together and then you all are, are part of a service to

479
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:50,060
where there's this one person, pastor shepherd talking down. It's not talking down, right? It's,

480
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:57,900
it's more of explanation. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Explaining it all to the rest of the people.

481
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:02,460
That's kind of, that's how you could kind of see it's, it's more of like a teacher than it's like,

482
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:08,780
it's like a student setting. It's like a classroom setting that yeah, with a community founded on

483
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:16,140
one aspect instead of it being, you know, going to school, it's going to church instead of thinking

484
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:23,100
I need an education is think I need faith. Why is there a disconnect there then believing that it's

485
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:28,140
part of like, it's kind of like religion in general is just part of kind of a cult aspect,

486
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:31,340
like just because it's one person talking down on others or is there like,

487
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:38,220
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click that link. Click the link below. Really? Now, people who say that Christianity is a cult.

500
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:05,900
I think. Yeah, but I I kind of see their point. But at the same time, I kind of don't. I don't

501
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:11,500
know where it's coming from. I don't know why someone would believe something so like something

502
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:17,820
like this and so great where everyone believes in something so great could be a cult in a cult.

503
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:22,140
Maybe it's not. It's got a negative connotation to it. So maybe that's where I'm coming from.

504
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:28,300
So I just don't I don't see it. I don't I don't have it doesn't make sense to me why you consider

505
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:38,060
something so great like a religion or cult. Well, I think. I think two things. I think any.

506
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:47,660
Any rational. Human who has got it together and you know, goes into a church and

507
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:52,300
and they experiences it and kind of sees the community and sees what's actually going on,

508
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:57,420
kind of will have that realization of being like, oh, actually, this is a nice place.

509
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:00,780
There's plenty of people who go to church because it's a nice place

510
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:07,180
and not because they're Christian. On the other hand, what you have to realize is

511
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:15,180
the Bible talks about that all those who are not Christians. Essentially hate God.

512
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:22,780
They're in this they're in this place of basically the dead. Their soul is dead and not being

513
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:30,860
regenerated. Just so they can't love the things of God. And so that's why people bring these

514
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:37,820
allegations and annotations on onto the church because they don't they can't physically

515
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:47,020
understand what the church is or who God is. And so therefore they've labored it like any other

516
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:52,060
cult. We say the same thing about we'd like anybody who picks up a joint, smokes it for the

517
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:58,140
first time will finally understand it. I'm saying the people that are shit talking churches here

518
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:03,260
are not people that have gone to every church and decided it's not for them. It is the people that

519
00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:07,660
think they know that there's no such thing as God or any religion. Every religion is false and it's

520
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:14,380
all a cult. Right. It's those kind of people who just think that they know everything and think

521
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:19,020
everyone else is an idiot. And that's why they don't like it. And think about the two. Misery

522
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:24,300
loves company. Right. Yeah. If I'm a miserable person, I don't want you being happy.

523
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:31,900
And in a way, they almost substitute religion with something else.

524
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:40,540
Like you see this with the left, especially in America's a large part of them are atheists or

525
00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:45,260
you know, they don't believe in any God. Right. Agnostic. But but look at it this way, though,

526
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:51,260
they still have anointed people in their beliefs that you can't make fun of, i.e.

527
00:42:52,460 --> 00:43:00,140
the president, the institutions in the US. Yeah. Dr. Fauci, they have blasphemous things that you

528
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:08,540
can't say, i.e. misgendering. So it's gendered and yeah, it's not a it's not that they don't

529
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:14,780
like religion is that they dislike religion with a God. And so humans have naturally then created

530
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:18,940
a religion, but this time it doesn't have a God. But everything else is the same with it.

531
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:26,060
Ah, the Bible also says that Jesus says, thank you, he says the world will hate you.

532
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:35,900
I mean, yeah, there you go. So I've been I've been pondering a little bit because

533
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,340
everything that's been happening in America, of course,

534
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:43,180
and me and Kevin talked about this yesterday with one of our buddies from I.O.

535
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:45,260
Shout out to you. I believe his name is Brett.

536
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:49,500
It's a good time. We're going to be hopping on Minecraft after this, hopefully. So we'll see.

537
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:56,620
What's going on. We'll see what's happening. But no, we were talking to him.

538
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:59,900
I forgot where I was going with this.

539
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:03,820
We were talking to Brett about religion.

540
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:09,500
We were talking to Brett about religion. Oh, son of a bitch. I can't believe this.

541
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,540
I can't believe I've done this. A lot of shit with Brett.

542
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:16,860
No. Yeah, we we 100 percent talked a lot of shit with him. But it's.

543
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:23,180
And I was talking about, yeah, how people have like a need for a religion

544
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:26,380
and they'll de facto create one. They just won't understand.

545
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:34,940
Yes, we're we're with a place like America. I don't know if it's like this in the UK.

546
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:39,740
There's people so many there's a large majority of people doubting religion and we're not.

547
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:44,620
We were founded on religion and we know I wouldn't say we really are anymore as a culture.

548
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:50,220
So there's not really a way to go back. I don't think we'd have to kind of just

549
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:54,460
start over from ground zero and start up again as a civilization.

550
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:57,660
But then you'd have to found a civilization on something new.

551
00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:05,740
And I don't know anything else that is as great as a religion, as great as religion in general

552
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:09,900
to found a country on. What would you found a country on other than religion?

553
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,740
Is there anything that comes to mind at all?

554
00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:15,100
No.

555
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:23,100
Just because because why? Why? Why would you advocate so hard for religion?

556
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:27,500
So hard for religion and in the masses like this is a civilization. So

557
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,140
why would religion be the center point of it then?

558
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:35,340
Well, in terms of.

559
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:47,980
Well, we all know that everyone has a moral compass. There is a technical word for that,

560
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:53,820
but I can't think of it right now. So we know so everyone knows like, well, I say everyone, but

561
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,380
clearly not everyone, but people know the difference between like good and bad.

562
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:03,660
Right. You can know that in your conscience, like, wow, that was good. That was bad.

563
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:09,820
Obviously, some people are a bit. But there we go. So the thing with religion is that

564
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:20,700
religion creates its foundations on those laws, on those moral laws. And so Christianity obviously

565
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:26,620
have the Ten Commandments, which is vitally important, vitally important now to America

566
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:33,260
and to the UK and other countries. And it's based on that moral law. And without the law,

567
00:46:33,260 --> 00:46:41,180
without the law, you know, we don't have, obviously, justice and we have absolute chaos.

568
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:48,460
And I think especially the Christian religion is the perfect basis of that governmental law.

569
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:56,540
Yeah, it's I think it kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Like the question is, what do you what would be your

570
00:46:56,540 --> 00:47:03,260
values of your society that you're trying to? Yeah. Well, it was more it was more Taylor because

571
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:10,620
what other than religion is there to do it on? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like it depends on

572
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:16,780
if you're founding a country off of like the value for human life, the how sacred a life is,

573
00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:23,260
period. You need a religion for that. But if you're one to make a country off of just making money

574
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:27,660
and having fun, fuck you. You don't need a religion for that shit. I mean, yeah, but

575
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:32,460
if you ask me personally, then I have no answer.

576
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:40,060
But it's a good question. Very interesting. Well, yeah, because you say we all know right from

577
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:45,980
wrong, right? That's what I was going. Well, yeah, without religion, I could think that it's the

578
00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:53,660
right thing for me to do to kill Trevor because of anything. Right. He's a blonde guy. That's wrong.

579
00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:59,500
Like that is not objectively a right thing. But in my head, I'm yeah. Right. In my head, I'm right.

580
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:07,420
And so it's like without religion, there is no real source of morality, so to speak.

581
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:15,100
I think there's no better way to create like a over arching authority of power than a religion.

582
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:20,700
And you get into a government that gets messy every single damn time. But then people say,

583
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,540
you know, religion gets pretty messy, too. There's people saying, you know, religion is

584
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:29,660
the beginning of all wars. Just begins with religion. Oh, that's probably good.

585
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,820
You think the wars wouldn't happen without Christians? I'm sorry. Or without religion?

586
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:40,940
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good at fighting. That's true. Because we're not pacifists.

587
00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:46,620
I was just going to ask, do you do you believe people are generally good or bad?

588
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:58,940
Bad. And is that a Christian belief? Yes, everyone is. Bad how? Like morally evil or just sinners?

589
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:08,460
It's based on the story of creation because God made Adam and Eve and he gave them the ability

590
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:14,940
to have a free will and he gave the ability to choose and do what was right. And yet they

591
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:25,180
chose bad and therefore the whole of mankind is bad. That has been the best explanation.

592
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:30,300
And then Jesus comes down to earth, dies for all of our sins so we can be forgiven and go back to heaven.

593
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:44,220
That's the gospel. So like you can be a good person, right? Like with religion. It's just default is bad.

594
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:51,980
Default is bad. When you become a Christian, you the term they use is born again.

595
00:49:51,980 --> 00:50:00,540
You see the process that happens is you basically get given a new heart, like a new creation. And

596
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:08,620
so you're still you want to do good. You're still in the doing bad, a ton of bad, but generally

597
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:16,060
your heart is postured towards good. But yeah, everyone, everyone else is bad, inherently bad.

598
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:21,340
I think that's a better way of looking at it too, because now you're focused on all the bad things

599
00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:25,340
you're doing in life so that you can fix them. If you believed everyone was good, you wouldn't

600
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:30,300
necessarily focus on all the bad things. You'd focus on all the good things we're good at.

601
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:33,180
Good people don't go to heaven.

602
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:44,940
Good people don't go to heaven. Who goes to heaven? Being a Christian doesn't make you good.

603
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:50,220
Like I could not be a Christian and do good all my life, but that doesn't mean I'll go to heaven

604
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:56,300
because that's not how you get to heaven. I do good. Okay, let me I'll play the devil's advocate.

605
00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:03,260
If the whole kind of gist with Christianity, right, is that you can be forgiven.

606
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:08,940
Yeah, you repent, right? What stopped me from doing all this crazy stuff and then repenting

607
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:12,620
right before I die? Because I'll be forgiven. Yeah.

608
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:13,900
I'll still be saved. Yeah.

609
00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:24,380
But then like I could, am I not going to heaven then? Is this the cheat code? Yeah.

610
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:30,620
It's, I'm a Christian, right? If I, if I tomorrow go and murder someone,

611
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:40,940
God doesn't see that sin worse than me looking at another woman in lust. In the sense that

612
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:45,340
his repentance, his forgiveness is the same power like he would just forgive me.

613
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:50,460
But that obviously doesn't give me an excuse to do it. Just putting that out there.

614
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:56,780
Yeah, no, for real. Leave that to the Muslims.

615
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:07,260
Like there's a guy, there's a story in the Bible of when Jesus is on the cross,

616
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:13,180
there's a guy next to him on the cross and it's, he's known, he's famous because he's the first

617
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:17,740
man to go to heaven and like he was literally on a cross for the crimes he committed

618
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:24,220
and right there and then God's like, I forgive you. He makes it to heaven.

619
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:31,820
So would I really even need to go to, like I, I'm thinking I could not go to church my entire life,

620
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:37,500
right? If I can be forgiven for that, why would I go to church at all? If I don't have to,

621
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:42,060
because you're commanded to, and if you love God, you would.

622
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:49,020
Okay. But like, do you see what I'm saying though? Like if I'm going to be forgiven,

623
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:53,420
regardless of what it's almost an empty command. That sounds

624
00:52:53,420 --> 00:53:02,780
like it's hard to, it's hard to articulate, but when you, when you believe in God,

625
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:11,500
you have this heart posture towards God and everything you do, you want to be for his glory.

626
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:18,540
And so like, if he, if his Bible, his word in the Bible says, you know, love your neighbor,

627
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:24,140
go to church, don't take vengeance, turn the other cheek, all these different things.

628
00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:30,460
Those are the things that you want to do. And you automatically will do.

629
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:35,180
I don't think there'll be a point where you'll be like, I'm just not going to do it.

630
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:42,220
There'll be seasons, maybe, but I think in the end, you will end up doing the things that God has

631
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:50,540
called you to do. Now that's just like, it's a devil's advocate thing. Like, like when you hear

632
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:53,900
people say, you know, if there is a God, why would he allow so much suffering to take place?

633
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:59,260
Yeah. It's a good question. What do you say to those people? I mean, I know what I can say.

634
00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:12,300
Like to, that's like the hardest question to answer in the whole of history. But the,

635
00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:24,060
what I would say was going back to the creation of story of how sin and bad basically ended up

636
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:30,060
happening in this world. And the fact that everyone now born after Adam is born in this

637
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:42,060
sinful, inherently evil world. God is almighty. He is in control of all things. He does allow

638
00:54:42,060 --> 00:55:02,060
all things to happen. But the analogy I give is, does the clay have the right to ask the potter

639
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:10,060
what it's doing? Does that make sense? Like as humans, do we have the right to question God

640
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:17,020
and what he does on us? Like, do we have like, God allows suffering. He allows, he allows evil.

641
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:23,660
I mean, he appoints presidents, he appoints everything. And so Christians can be like all

642
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:31,660
in the world and like, Oh my God. But it's like, God is in control. Did I just disconnect?

643
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:37,660
You might have. Yeah, you sound way better. Dude, I thought I mess with my headphone and you just

644
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:45,020
changed everything. It's like my ears pop. Yeah, dude. Oh man. You got me good. You got me good.

645
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:57,340
Now I've heard the analogy. Can you hear us? Yeah, I'm back. Yeah. Like the analogy of,

646
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:03,180
like, say you had a kid, right? Like four years old, you're not going to give them everything

647
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:09,500
that they want. You're going to get, just going to want fucking McDonald's and candy.

648
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:15,100
Always. I want McDonald's. Yeah, me too. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't give that to

649
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:21,580
them. Not like they want it, but you know, that's not good for. So I'm thinking, well, you know,

650
00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:30,860
maybe this isn't what we wanted, but if it's what we need. Exactly. And, you know, God, God,

651
00:56:30,860 --> 00:56:38,620
God is love and God works things for the good of those who love him. So it's,

652
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:46,860
it's all for him, all for his glory. And I just, I don't even have the ability to question it.

653
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:57,660
So can you touch on, can you touch on the gay, gay side of things in religion?

654
00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:04,060
Oh, I know gay people that are religious and it's not a big deal. And I know people who are religious

655
00:57:04,060 --> 00:57:14,940
that are fine with gay people. And now it has become a, a huge thing. Um, because the, the LGBTQ

656
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:21,420
kind of wave is a, like Kevin said, it's kind of like a religion without God and now they're going

657
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:34,780
up against God and what, what is God's perspective of gay, gay people being gay is a sin.

658
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:46,860
And, and why, and, and why, why, what's the interpretation? Well, God, um, created them

659
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:55,980
man, man and female, man and female, sorry. And he, the point of creating the man and female was

660
00:57:56,540 --> 00:58:06,060
for marriage and procreation. And so God instituted marriage. He instituted it as a bedrock of society

661
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:11,340
between a man and a woman. And the reason it's between a man and a woman is because they,

662
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:19,740
they, them two together can create babies. Therefore anything that, um, is not that is.

663
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:28,380
I think you need to look no further than a pride parade to figure out why God was like,

664
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:36,780
hey, maybe not that. Well, that's the ironic part is pride is a sin and they have pride parades.

665
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:44,140
Yeah, dude. It's like, I don't know, like personally, like, okay, you're a Christian guy,

666
00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:50,940
right? Like when you interact with gay people, what does that look like? Are you, are you,

667
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:53,420
what does it look like and how do you feel? Yeah.

668
00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:01,660
And we're talking to anyone because everyone is talking to a thing or a certain thing.

669
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:09,020
Everyone sins, everyone messes up. So when you talk about like the church and how does they handle

670
00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:16,060
it or how would Christian would handle it, it's like, you know, everyone is going to struggle with

671
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:24,540
a temptation or whatever it is. And one person's temptation might be, I don't know, porn or another

672
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:32,140
person's temptation might be having sex with a man or whatever it is. So you call up, we don't judge

673
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:40,460
in that sense, but at the same time, the answer to all of those questions is Jesus. So that's how we

674
00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:46,940
handle it. Can I answer your question? Yeah, no. I mean, that makes sense. It's just tough.

675
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:52,220
I think that's one of those subjects for it's not really a black and white answer that fits everyone.

676
00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:55,900
There's so much nuance. Like if you were to literally take that, it would almost be like,

677
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:58,460
yeah, you would think you go around fucking punching every gay dude.

678
01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:05,900
Yeah. Especially like taking the stance as it's a sin that, oh, it's a pro. So now it's a problem

679
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:11,180
to be gay. Like what's for fuck you. Like we're all sinners. That's what he said. Yeah, exactly.

680
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:15,740
That's, that's yeah. And you kind of view it just as if I went out and killed somebody. It's,

681
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:20,380
it's a sin. It's a thing we shouldn't do, but we are doing any old sin.

682
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:25,020
Shouldn't do, but we are doing anyways. We're living with it. So how could you,

683
01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:32,380
how could they coexist? Cause right now it's, it's, it's fury. It's a complete mess.

684
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:37,740
Is there a way to coexist along with gaze? It seems to have been happening for years already,

685
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:43,180
right? You know, we didn't completely abolish gaze back when Christianity was founded. I mean,

686
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:46,380
gay people were in all, you know what I'm saying? Like they were part of our game.

687
01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:52,300
Gay. That is we're done. That is it. You know what I'm saying? So good question.

688
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:56,300
Um,

689
01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:14,220
it's well, it's tough. I, I have a friend called Frank and, um, he actually used to be gay.

690
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:22,140
And so he used to have these feelings all the time. Like, I want to be with a man. I love men.

691
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:29,020
I want to have sex with men. And he did do that. He went out and he met with men and had sex with

692
01:01:29,020 --> 01:01:37,500
them and, you know, lived this gay active lifestyle. Um, until someone introduced him to church

693
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:44,700
and he started going in this church didn't just go, Oh, your hands like this. You're wearing a

694
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:50,380
rainbow flag. You can't be in here. Do you know what I mean? They said, you know, come in because

695
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:57,020
the answer is here. The answer, he knew he was, it was wrong. He knew it was a struggle. And so

696
01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:03,420
the answer is here. The problem is, is that people no longer see it as something bad. And so now it's

697
01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:09,420
like this whole construct of yay, gay people. And like, that's kind of where it crossed the line.

698
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:18,380
In my opinion, where it's like, we kind of just as a church, not just let it be, but kind of, um,

699
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:26,460
yeah, um, give it to God almost and be like, you know, we'll just do what we normally do.

700
01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:32,060
They can do what they do, you know, if they come in, welcome, but we're not going to do it.

701
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:38,780
And, but we're not going to, you know, um, change our message because of the culture or change our

702
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:42,140
message because they're going to be offended. You know, we're going to speak to the truth.

703
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:47,260
The Bible says it's the truth that sets you free and we believe the Bible is the truth.

704
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:53,580
So stick to the Bible. You believe that that sets them free. My friend ended up coming to church

705
01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:59,740
and now he has his desire to marry a woman and have to make a family and doesn't have these

706
01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:05,340
things anymore. That's one of those subjects where I think like personally,

707
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:13,580
like I know a few gay people, right? And I don't think anything about them being gay really,

708
01:03:13,580 --> 01:03:19,180
other than that they are like, I know the Bible says it's a sin, right? But like personally, I

709
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:25,740
like I'm talking strictly being gay, right? I don't think that that's a sin or a negative thing or

710
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:32,060
something I should try and cure. Right. And I'm comfortable thinking that even though it

711
01:03:32,060 --> 01:03:39,580
contradicts the Bible because I can answer for it. So I get up to the pearly gates. I can,

712
01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:49,420
I can justify why I said that or why I thought that like, yeah, like if I'm wrong on that,

713
01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:55,580
so be it, man. But like, I think just a little bit of give and take and all, because I mean,

714
01:03:55,580 --> 01:03:59,900
a lot of people might hear, you know, that the Bible says you can't be gay and think like it

715
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:05,180
might, it's impossible for you almost to have a relationship with a gay person, like a friendship,

716
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:11,580
if you think that they're, you know, yeah, bad sitting. Yeah.

717
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:23,340
Yeah. It's, it's, it's an interesting one because, you know, like a lot of Christians are just friends

718
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:33,980
with Christians and well, it's because they're Christian, but like, then they tend to like,

719
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:39,340
they don't yoke themselves with, with people, unbelievers, they don't yoke themselves with

720
01:04:39,340 --> 01:04:47,580
people who will sleep around and swear and, you know, slander and say the Lord's name in vain or

721
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:54,780
whatever. And so I think that's why generally Christians don't hang around with gay people.

722
01:04:56,060 --> 01:05:01,580
I think a lot of it for us, like Trevor and I is the army, because when you go to the army,

723
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:06,860
there's people from like literally every walk of life. And like, I think that got us,

724
01:05:06,860 --> 01:05:13,580
like we became comfortable and, you know, having a tribe, I guess, of people who weren't like us.

725
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:19,580
Yeah. But to me, it's, I've been living like that for so long. It would almost seem,

726
01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:25,180
it would be bizarre to be in a community where we all thought the same.

727
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:30,220
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it comes back to the fact that everyone

728
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:36,620
is being gay is a sin. And, you know, everyone is in sin. Everyone has something messed up.

729
01:05:36,620 --> 01:05:39,580
Everyone has something that I'm afraid there's something they're struggling with something,

730
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:47,420
you know, whether that's like unforgiveness or anger or lust, you know. Yeah.

731
01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:55,740
I mean, the Bible doesn't condemn judging as such, but it does condemn

732
01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:59,660
you know, negatively acting based on those judgments.

733
01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:01,820
Does that make sense?

734
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:07,660
I think too. Yeah. If it's like one of those, like if I'm at Judgment Day, right.

735
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:15,100
And I do pretty much everything good, but I don't think being gay is a sin, right? I can't

736
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:18,460
see that being like, oh, I'm not going to get into heaven based off that.

737
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:21,100
Oh, no, because you're not going to get into heaven.

738
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:25,660
Based on what you do. So that's out of the window.

739
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:28,380
Well, yeah, don't matter then, I guess.

740
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:36,380
It doesn't matter. Like, if I go to heaven, you know, with the completely wrong theology,

741
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:41,420
but you know, I believe in Jesus and get to heaven, then I get to heaven, don't I?

742
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:45,740
Because it's not gonna be like, you know, you hate the gay people.

743
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:51,820
So you can't get there. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's like,

744
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:57,980
we obviously don't know. It's like, what if you do get up to, you know, heaven, it's like,

745
01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:04,940
you know, Allah up there. Or, you know, what, one of the other gods that people have made

746
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:09,180
throughout history, you know what I'm saying? Like Christians believe there's only one God

747
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:13,420
and everybody's fake. Yeah, yeah. But my thing is, I think

748
01:07:13,420 --> 01:07:19,980
Yeah, yeah. But they do too, you know, it's like, someone's got to be wrong here.

749
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:27,820
But even then, though, I get up to, I get up to heaven, Allah's sitting at the front door waiting,

750
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:33,500
right? I could justify why I did what I did. That I think is the important.

751
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:40,060
Like, like you could justify. Yeah, but if you can justify,

752
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:43,740
if it's personal, then then anyone can run around justifying themselves.

753
01:07:45,260 --> 01:07:51,660
Well, I mean, like, like, I'm saying like, I justify my actions, because I know that they're

754
01:07:51,660 --> 01:08:01,020
objectively good. Like, your base is a good. What's up?

755
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:06,140
It's your judgment of good. Yeah, I guess.

756
01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:09,980
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though. Like, if it's your judgment of good.

757
01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:12,780
I. Oh, OK. I get up to heaven. Yeah.

758
01:08:12,780 --> 01:08:16,780
You're like, well, I thought I was good. The line is. Yeah. OK.

759
01:08:16,780 --> 01:08:19,420
No, you got to take a hard stance against people. OK.

760
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,820
Well, I mean, should I just take the L at that point?

761
01:08:21,820 --> 01:08:23,980
What are you going to what is there to do, Ro?

762
01:08:26,540 --> 01:08:29,420
Yo, ain't much else to do at that point, dude.

763
01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:34,540
I'll take it out. Just like I did play poker, Ro, like get

764
01:08:34,540 --> 01:08:37,100
done three hands in a row and I'm out. All right. Take the L.

765
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,820
All right. I. What's the other?

766
01:08:39,820 --> 01:08:43,260
Oh, I fold. What other options there, Ro?

767
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:44,700
I mean, shit.

768
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:52,220
That would be a question. I'm glad we got we got you to like realize that

769
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:55,020
because watching this over, you would have watched it over.

770
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:57,420
You'd be like, oh, shit. I can't.

771
01:08:58,860 --> 01:09:01,420
Well, I mean, there's that bias like I am a Christian.

772
01:09:01,420 --> 01:09:03,100
So of course, it's going to be biased. Gotcha.

773
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:07,260
Oh, I could justify all the good ideas, but it's like that.

774
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:09,740
That's not that's good to me. Right.

775
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:13,260
Like that's objective based off of my standards

776
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:18,780
and kind of societies on Earth, not a good Lord.

777
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:20,860
We get the next level. Yeah.

778
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:24,060
Yeah, no, I see that. Yeah.

779
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:25,820
You're I mean, yeah, you all make a great point.

780
01:09:26,780 --> 01:09:29,340
Yeah. I will concede.

781
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:32,700
You hope it don't happen, bro.

782
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:34,540
But really, though, what are you going to do?

783
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:37,980
No. Yeah. I mean, if you show up and it's not your God, you're just I mean,

784
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:43,340
it's like you live your whole life on a good moral grounding.

785
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:49,020
That's that's like the downside is you you've lived your life on a fantastic moral grounding

786
01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:52,140
and you can't say you live the bad life following God.

787
01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:56,860
Right. I get how many people are following God and saying, look, my life is horrible.

788
01:09:56,860 --> 01:10:01,100
And then one thing, there'll be any retrospective enough when you're dead.

789
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:03,260
But yeah, who? Never mind.

790
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:04,540
But yeah, I guess.

791
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:07,900
Yeah, I suppose there is retrospective and I'm pairing to the wrong God.

792
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:09,100
Right. Like, I know that's not the case.

793
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:11,820
But whatever I get up there and some weird like alien thing.

794
01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:16,220
I know that I didn't do anything wrong.

795
01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:22,700
Like in my head, like I know I did a good job of living just because this God don't think so.

796
01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:24,940
And he's going to banish me to hell.

797
01:10:24,940 --> 01:10:26,300
You know, it is what it is.

798
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:27,980
But I know I did the right thing.

799
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:35,660
Because of your faith, you specifically not the objectively right thing that the other God wants,

800
01:10:35,660 --> 01:10:37,340
but the right thing to me personally.

801
01:10:38,540 --> 01:10:39,660
Like that I could live with.

802
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:42,220
Or burn in hell for a turn.

803
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:44,940
Yeah, you got to have the good stuff, bro.

804
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:45,900
Hey, how to get stuff?

805
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:46,860
How to get going?

806
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:48,780
You ain't going to help be a miserable forever.

807
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:50,300
You're going to have to get stuff.

808
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:51,980
I got to get the good stuff, bro.

809
01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:59,500
So, Jordan, what's this for the people who don't know what's this background you got on?

810
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:02,300
Oh, my God.

811
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:04,220
That's what it was.

812
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:04,940
I should change it.

813
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:08,380
No, we're about to close it out here.

814
01:11:08,380 --> 01:11:10,780
I'm just we're just going to see what you got, man.

815
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:12,540
It's the OG Rootscape.

816
01:11:13,340 --> 01:11:16,060
Yeah, the beautiful old school Rootscape.

817
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:17,980
The beautiful.

818
01:11:17,980 --> 01:11:19,900
I've spent hours on that game.

819
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:21,580
Hours on that game.

820
01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:30,220
I got I got a final question then or challenge for you is what would your advice be to Christians as a whole?

821
01:11:33,420 --> 01:11:34,060
Good question.

822
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:39,980
The main thing is.

823
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:49,900
Right now, we're in a fight and a very big fight.

824
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:58,300
And so my advice to Christians would be to stand on the truth as much as possible.

825
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:00,780
Don't be afraid of offending people.

826
01:12:01,420 --> 01:12:03,100
Don't be afraid of losing friends.

827
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:07,900
Don't be afraid of being hated or being whatever happens.

828
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:09,500
Stand on the truth.

829
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:10,700
Stand on the Bible.

830
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:19,180
Then back down by the culture wars because it is our battle and make sure you get to church every Sunday.

831
01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:22,220
Amen.

832
01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:24,140
Amen.

833
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:29,820
Well, Jordan, I appreciate you coming on, man.

834
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:31,340
It's been a long time.

835
01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:32,220
Come on, man.

836
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:33,260
I've enjoyed it.

837
01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:34,140
Yeah, I know.

838
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:36,460
But yeah, thank you very much.

839
01:12:36,460 --> 01:12:38,060
It's interesting.

840
01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:40,140
Yeah, not being the most religious guy on the show.

841
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:41,500
Yeah, because normally it's me.

842
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:42,700
Yeah.

843
01:12:43,340 --> 01:12:46,060
Now I got a guy to go to to ask all my questions.

844
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:47,740
You're no longer my religion guy.

845
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:49,580
Go ahead, bro.

846
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:51,020
I'm going to be a Muslim anyway.

847
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:57,100
I tried to I tried to be as plain and simple as possible.

848
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:59,100
Yeah.

849
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:02,060
Yeah, the way you answered, I think was was perfect.

850
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:03,580
I was trying to.

851
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:07,260
Trying to cause cause a ruckus, and I think you held yourself well.

852
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:09,500
Appreciate that.

853
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:14,300
Yeah, you have a very, like, soft spoken, like gentle way about you.

854
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:21,660
It's like you could be explaining something, but like you're you're doing it so like gently and carefully.

855
01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:22,860
It's like, oh, I feel better.

856
01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:26,700
Like, like if I was gay, right, you're talking about how it's a sin.

857
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:28,060
I could be like, you know, you know, maybe.

858
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:30,780
You know what I'm saying?

859
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:33,820
That's the goal.

860
01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:37,180
I get out like, oh, you can't be gay.

861
01:13:37,180 --> 01:13:37,900
You're going to hell.

862
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:38,060
It's.

863
01:13:40,380 --> 01:13:41,260
Well, that's that's.

864
01:13:42,940 --> 01:13:46,540
That goes with even asking questions towards gay people, too.

865
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:50,620
When we sit down and ask genuine questions towards a gay person, we know.

866
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:56,140
I mean, they know we're coming at it from a good faith situation.

867
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:57,580
You know, it's the same thing here.

868
01:13:57,580 --> 01:14:03,420
And especially someone with good faith, you're incredibly well at answering with it.

869
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:06,700
And we you could see it.

870
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:07,980
You could see it in your demeanor.

871
01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:10,700
Yeah, I think.

872
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:13,500
Kind of the goal, isn't it?

873
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:13,820
To.

874
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:21,900
To love them to be gentle and soft, but also, you know, I don't hide from the truth.

875
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:22,220
And.

876
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:28,060
I don't hide from the truth and, you know, as simple as I get, I'm quite a simple man

877
01:14:28,060 --> 01:14:28,860
in that respect.

878
01:14:30,460 --> 01:14:31,820
I admire that.

879
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:33,820
The simple man, Jordan.

880
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:36,460
Jordan, thanks for coming on, man.

881
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:40,540
Simple, simple, simple British.

882
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:44,300
Give us give us real quick to close it out.

883
01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:45,340
Give us.

884
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:47,660
I can't believe you've done this and we'll close it out.

885
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:52,780
Oh, good.

886
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:54,620
We could say some American if you want.

887
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:57,340
Yeah.

888
01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:01,740
Perfect.

889
01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:04,620
There we go.

890
01:15:04,620 --> 01:15:05,820
That's that's perfect.

891
01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:07,260
Thanks for everyone for tuning in.

892
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:07,580
Yeah.

893
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:09,820
Thank you all.

894
01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:12,300
Thank you all for tuning in.

895
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:13,020
Thank you very much.

896
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:17,180
And we'll we'll leave Jordan's Twitter down below.

897
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:18,620
He's got an unbelievable mind.

898
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:21,340
Follow him and.

899
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:24,780
All right.

900
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:26,540
Thanks for tuning in again, everybody.

901
01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:30,780
We we appreciate it through these tough controversial topics.

902
01:15:30,780 --> 01:15:31,740
Those are the fun ones.

903
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:34,140
Be sure to check out our links below, though.

904
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:35,980
We got everything down there in the description.

905
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:40,620
Next episode, though, we do got Miss Rhonda.

906
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:42,700
Kev, you want to go in a little bit?

907
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:43,740
Sure.

908
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:44,060
Yeah.

909
01:15:44,060 --> 01:15:48,860
As a hemp connoisseur, as you could say, Rhonda was a natural fit, I think, for us.

910
01:15:48,860 --> 01:15:51,420
She's a salesperson of the CBD company.

911
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:55,180
So she knows a lot about that whole plant and kind of the industry and stuff.

912
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:58,300
And it's it's some interesting stuff to kind of get into because

913
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:01,900
you got the actual medical benefits of it and the whole legal side.

914
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:03,180
But now we're going to get into it.

915
01:16:03,180 --> 01:16:04,620
I had a lot of fun with that episode.

916
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:06,700
So yeah, let's get into it.

917
01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:06,940
Yeah.

918
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:07,580
Good stuff.

919
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:08,060
Good stuff.

920
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:09,420
Thanks for tuning in, everybody.

921
01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:13,900
Again, links below like, comment, subscribe, get some conversation flowing

922
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:16,620
down there and we'll catch you all next time.

923
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:44,620
Thanks.

924
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:48,620
Bye.

925
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:18,620
Bye.

926
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:48,620
Bye.

927
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:18,620
Bye.

928
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:48,620
Bye.