How Religion Applies to Your Everyday Life - Mind Over Matter Podcast #35

0:12 Not fat. No. All right. Yeah. Aren't the good stuff. Least they're skinny. All right, everybody. Welcome back. We got Jordan here. Met him in a discord helped us quite a bit with our discords. Um, pretty much all my discord knowledge is from him. So he's the one that made me realize that community building within discourse, a real thing. Um, it's, I believe it could be that really the actual virtual platform that we bring everyone together on.

0:54 So I'm excited to see what we can do. Um, Jordan, thanks for coming on cav. How we're feeling today, man. You know, I'm good. I wish I got the memo about the purple hoodie, but, uh, no, I'm good. Other than getting my, my ass handed to me in Texas, hold them just now. I, uh, I'm doing pretty good. How are you doing? Good Jordan. How you feeling, man? I'm good. I'm fresh. I just had dinner. So I'm good. Oh, what the heck? Just had dinner. Yeah. So we'll start there, man. Where are you from? What time zone you in? I'm from the UK. So we're in GMT right now. So it's about what time is it? Cool. Past eight.

1:34 Okay. When GMT isn't that the general one? I feel like that's right. When it's time. Yeah, for us, it's mountain time. Yeah. I feel like that's everything that I, uh, it's like the default on everything that I have to change. At the beginning of time. You guys are? Yeah. In the middle. Where about in the UK are you? I live in Birmingham, which is like two hours north of London. How is it over there? Like all things considered. Crap hole. What do you mean a crap hole? I think the US is kind of a crap hole.

2:15 But like what is crap hole by Europeans? It's like, it's like America, but just intensified and more depressing. Oh, intensified. Oh no. What do you mean? I thought that was Canada. It's like, it's like concentrated in this tiny little island of wokeness and random. Is that, I know you're not the biggest media guy. Is that like what you see firsthand like in the street? That's what you kind of just realizes what the hell is going on or like a cultural as a whole is moving.

2:58 I think as a whole, I mean, the town I live in, like, it'll go by a shopping center and everyone is weary eyed. The press, the cheetahs walking around like, no, they're not fat though. Not fat. All right. Yeah. Aren't the good stuff. At least they're skinny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the press basically. And I mean, the teeth over there, a little, you know, oh, it's a coin flip. They are not known for their dentistry.

3:41 Or are we wrong? No, it's true. It's not like, I guess, because we're talking about mental health a bit. It's not like you meet someone and like they go through depression. It's almost just like there's a blanket of just people depressed, right? The whole like culture, the town, the air, just really rainy there. Like there's not much sun. Very cloudy, very rainy. About y'all's food. I hear that's not very good.

4:21 Oh man. So why are you still there? Why are you still there? Oh, yo dude. Like all these questions personally, I would still not be there. I would have left. There's no sun and the food sucks. Yeah. Like what are you staying there for? Everyone's depressed. The food sucks. Well, well, other than my family being here, I mean, we desperately want to move. And my wife, she's from Cape Town, South Africa. And obviously there it's super sunny. Food's amazing. Mountains, ocean. So that's a dream. It's just, yeah.

5:03 Cape Town, South Africa. I heard they don't take too kindly to white folk around. Yeah, that's true. Well, I heard that about the UK too, bro. I'm going to keep it a sec. I see like things on Twitter and it's like saying the UK, like it's all like they import a bunch of immigrants from everywhere. How true is that? 100%. Yeah. What's the culture like? If you go to a shop, like you get to like a Subway or a McDonald's or I don't know, just like your bog standard jobs, you won't meet an English person.

5:45 What the fuck? Go to get you some chips. Chip. Yeah, like when the queen died, I saw a lot of fucking white people at her funeral, but then like I see a picture of a classroom in the UK. It was like, like two white guys in that whole class. Yeah, they're taking over to be fair, but I mean, that's just the morals that our country lies on. I mean, we just accept all cultures, I guess. That's cool. I mean, we were just talking about that. I mean, South Africa is interesting. Yeah. You been there? Have you been over to where your wife's from? Yeah, it's interesting because my wife's mom survived the apartheid.

6:30 Like her, she got kicked out of her home because, you know, the whites wanted to live there and she was split up from her family on the beaches because she was a different color to her siblings, like serious stuff. And, you know, people say that's like eradicated now, but even now, like we went in December and you can still see signs of like white privilege and, you know, generally speaking, white people are like the bougie rich people. And South Africa, I could still like that. Yeah. What was the apartheid? It was like a state where only white people could go?

7:15 The apartheid was basically a government, how do I explain, like essentially the government movement where they wanted to accommodate for white people. So they just kicked out all the colored people, all the black people from all of their homes that they built and sent them into like concentration camps, basically. Oh, like far away. How mass was this? Because I've heard of the name, but no one talks about it. So how many people were actually a part of this? The whole country. Holy shit. I didn't think there was that many white people in South Africa to like even do. Oh, no, dude, South Africa there. I had a dude, 88, my truck driver in my AIT, my training for the army.

8:04 And he was South African, but like as what not like super white, but probably about white as me. I just had a different accent. You think the thing you need to know is that the reason it's called South Africa is because it's not a nation of one people. It's not like England. They've labeled it South Africa because they've literally just mashed up a group of people. Because you got like colonizers from England, from the Netherlands, and then they bought and obviously the original tribal people. Then they brought over a ton of Chinese, then a ton of Japanese came over. Like it's just like. That's why it's called Southern Africa.

8:46 They're just bringing in everyone. Why were they importing so many people? Um, lack of workforce. Oh, I had diamonds there and also. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're super rich in the natural resources area. You play civilization. That's like the most fun play to play. What most fun place to play because it's like as hard as it gets, but you have all the resources. You literally have all the resources, but you're in the, in the middle of the desert and everyone else is enjoying life. Everywhere else. But that's like what I think is happening here in the U S is they're bringing in a bunch of people.

9:28 Yeah, no, we were just talking about it yesterday. It's almost like you could bring out, you could bring in, you could bring in people. That's not a problem as a nation where the problem lies is when those people start taking over the roles of the people currently living in the nation or affecting the people currently living in the nation. The issue is assimilation. The issue is assimilation. I think like it wouldn't be a problem if a Joe immigrant comes over from Columbia and like has American values. Like that's not an issue. It's the people that come over here and want to institute their home country's policies in the U S.

10:09 You see that as a big problem in the like the Asian community within raising children. They try to, they try to, I just learned about this in psych class. They try to instill their Asian beliefs in American society. So now their children are growing up around the American beliefs but are being told at home that this is what like, this is our culture. This is what we do. And it's hard for them to get rid of what they believe in already. Like, and especially moving from a place like Asia, like those people are hardheaded in their, their culture. They strongly believe in what they believe in. And there's almost like, there's almost no wiggle room, just, just like the Muslims, right? Kind of, we were just talking about that the other day.

10:51 Look at the UK right now. They're not assimilating anyone coming into that country. Am I wrong? Wrong. That I think is, and it's so many people too. It's like if the current immigration rates keep up with the U S right by the end of Joe Biden's first term would be one fifth of America or of people in America or here illegally, like a whole fifth of the nation. Yeah. I wonder where Britain's at. Do you know where Britain's at over there? I don't know. I mean, we've been from like, you know, British everything to Indian this and Chinese that and just the way it goes. Are many people talking about like leaving the UK or?

11:39 Um, well, sorry. Um, not that I know of. I think they're all just talking their way kind of like, yeah, I bought my house. I've got my mortgage now. Yeah. That's America's way too. It's like we were born here. You know, we're around here. Why are we going to go out when all our life we've been told America is the best, like that, you know, like we're why are we going to go anywhere else when we've been told our whole life that we're the best in this, this, this, and this, which it may be true, may not be true, but that's what you you are raised on the belief that you don't have to go anywhere else because America is the best place to be. I did want to get into the, uh, the whole queen thing though over in America for the people who don't know, would you mind explaining the queen situation in like what actually happened when she died? And I guess you could go into a little bit more of your bat, your faith background and a little bit more of your religious background, but cause that's how I know you on Twitter. I love following you on Twitter because you have, you are the moral ground of faith. Like I know if this guy is saying something, I know it aligns with the Bible and his faith. And I need to take that into consideration because I don't follow, I don't follow a specific faith. I I'm kind of, I'm just a more spiritual person. So for the people out there, just your faith, your background and faith, and then just a little bit on the queen, if you can. So yeah, I mean,

13:16 yeah, I was speaking to you earlier about it. I kind of just walked in the church my whole life, so I didn't know anything better or anything different. Um, but then kind of when I got to my rebellious stages, let's say, and had girlfriends and wanted to do whatever I wanted, I was like, forget church. And it's kind of like the moment I, the moment I left and was like, I don't want anything to do with this. Um, I seriously had like this moment in my bedroom of like, you know, just kind of realizing all the bad stuff I've done.

14:01 And like seriously though, and um, I knew obviously growing up in the church, I kind of knew the basis of the Bible and who Jesus was and the point of it all. And so kind of one thing added up to the next and realized all the crap, realized how, you know, kind of, I don't know, explain just like how nothing I was almost, but I'm basically this realization that there is a God. And then that's the kind of point I, you know, attribute to my faith starting in Jesus and God.

14:45 You're at a low point, you're like, man, all this shit's going on. Yeah. I wouldn't say a low point. I think to be honest, I was like the point where I was like loving life the most, kind of doing whatever I wanted, you know, partying and seeing goals and drinking and whatever. It could be a problem. And yeah. I mean, I was like hiding it from my parents and hiding it from my friends and church people or whatever. And yeah, that's the kind of the moment I had. And then since then, it's definitely been an up and down journey, kind of changing theological stance. I mean, the church, especially in England and America, is just so messed up, like unbelievably messed up.

15:34 And yeah, it's kind of like I went from this journey of like removing myself from all these teachers and pastors and preachers that I've heard. And now I'm kind of like what they call reformed. And basically that just means like going back to the exactly what the Bible says and trying not to think about my feelings or what the culture is saying and just be like, this is what it says. This is what we're going to believe in. That's the end of it. And then the next thing I do is I'm going to be like, this is what I believe in. That's the end. Thank you very much. That's like my issue with like churches. A lot of them is like, you're, you're relying on someone's interpretation of what the Bible says. Yeah. And it puts, it puts a bad, bad rap on the actual faith part of things. When a church comes along and does something, whatever it may be, even the molestation stuff amongst priests, that puts a bad rap on the whole faith and the idea of religion, especially in a church of Christians or Catholics, you know, these, these, these are the foundings of kind of who we are as white people were kind of aligned with that.

16:49 And now you have this kind of like tainted almost thing. And now people are calling it cults because it's getting that kind of bad where the interpretation is up to the church. And now the church on top of that here in America, the church aren't paying taxes and that will get anybody's fucking blood boiling. So we can talk about actually, because that's, that's, that's a relevant subject because reason allegations, which is very, I'm sure you'd be interested in, but yeah, like I was going to say, like you could go to five different churches in, in this city that I'm in and they'd all teach you something different from the same Bible verse.

17:29 And that's where it kind of just goes crazy. Like Christians, I think get shit on the most out of any church. Yeah. Like you think the Muslims and the Jews don't molest people take that. You have this thing like with the Catholic church, how they touch kids. And it's like, look at, look at public school teacher rates of the same thing. And they're like 10 times higher. But why do we focus on the Christian's part? It's like the crusades too. People will talk about that. Like we just woke up one day and thought, you know, let's do that. Like, I'm sorry, dude, but like, I think Christianity is the most targeted religion, at least.

18:12 Six people got killed because they're Christian. And then we did a chart and then America did a and then we did a chart and then America did a happy transgender day. Swear to God. Like that's not a prime example. I don't know what it is. I'm saying, Kevin always brings this up to me because I, so I grew up with very little religious background. I remember a couple of days we went to church. I could remember the day I was in my sister's like in my sister's room and we were all getting ready to go to church. And that was really the only thing I had aligned with church. So Kevin's kind of been my go to faith guy and he's helped me gain faith and get into the religion aspect of life. Because I was thinking a little more spiritually and then all growing up. And then in today's society, the religion is kind of getting talked out on just because it's religion and all the stories are out or whatever the news says or anything like that. But I couldn't, I couldn't imagine Kevin brought this up to me. I couldn't imagine something like that happening to Muslims and Muslims being fine with it. Christians are just going to be okay. Or Catholic Christians are going to be okay. You know, maybe you could go into a little bit of difference with the Catholic and Christians. I know it's a little harder on the Catholic end of things, but just for, just cause it's not being taught is the problem. And for me being 20, 24, I could have looked it up. I could have gone anywhere and looked it up, but there's no better source than someone going to church and someone actually doing it. So,

19:45 well, Catholics and Christians are very different. Um, you know, obviously the Catholic churches, they have a Pope. So, and, um, so they believe they have more than one, essentially they believe they have more than one mediator between them and God. Okay. So they believe they can, you know, go to a confession and confess their sins. And that's how they're forgiven of their sins. Whereas Christians believe, you know, they can just speak to God and get forgiven of their sins. Secondly, like Christians just pray to God. Whereas, um, the Catholic's whole thing is the idea of mother Mary and, um, they kind of worship this Mary figure because she was the mother of Jesus. Um, uh, which also leads to their faith is very much based on what they do on earth. So basically they believe that, um, they will get to heaven if they do these good works. So they have to do, they have to confess all the time.

20:58 They have to pray to Mary. They have to basically love people and do what essentially what Christians would do to get to heaven. Whereas Christians, um, are completely justified by God. As soon as they're saved, it doesn't matter. Technically, it doesn't matter what they do. They're always going to be saved. And so no matter what they do, whether it's good, bad, it doesn't matter. They're not justified by their works. They're justified by their faith. Um, and that's kind of the major differences. Christianity has less rules. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like you can kind of, you could see how legalistic you said legalistic, the Catholic. Yeah. The Catholic, what they call legalistic is rules and it's paid to heaven by following x, y, z.

21:57 Yeah. Would you like go about determining, like if I was, uh, becoming a Christian, let's say, how would I, how would you like guide me, I guess, or like help me in finding a denomination? Well, cause there's like nine and there's about 600. There's like 600. You know what I'm saying? This is why we need to hear. Well, um, the, in my humble opinion, the most solid in terms of like biblical churches are Baptist or Presbyterian churches. Um, they don't have any fluff or, um, sparkly edges. They don't over hype things. It's very just much like in, read the Bible, preach the Bible, go home. Uh, and that, that I'm in a Baptist church and that's exactly what it's like. So if, if I was speaking to someone who was interested or just became a Christian, that's where I'd point them towards.

23:07 What are we, what about like, uh, Orthodox Christianity? I don't really know about them. To be honest, I was watching a 60 minutes special a few weeks ago and it's about these Orthodox Christian monks, right? And these cats are posted up onto this Island in Greece called Mount Athos. And it is, they go so hard with the prayer, dude, like they'll pray over eight hours a day. Like, wow. It's what fascinates me so much about it is that they've been doing it like this for like 2000 years. What they have doing, the only thing that's changed is the way they're doing it. So it's almost like a time machine. Like, yeah. How many, how many people can like you look at and say they were doing the same thing 2000 years ago? Yeah. Like I always thought, you know, like I'll be like, uh, like kind of a non-denominational Christian, but like if I want to go be more into it, I'm going to just go be a Mount Athos monk.

24:09 Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I see a lot of issues that you kind of really have to look, go to the church and actually see what they believe in. Cause you can go to one non-denominational church and it will be like a woman pastor who's trans affirming, gay affirming kind of wild party holding like, I don't even know Phil Collins concert. I don't know. So that's what came to my head. And then the next person will be like this, uh, old fashioned Christian man who just wants to sing old hymns that you probably would have sung in school. So kind of like, I was just go there and find out. You can't really just go to Mount Athos. It was like a whole process to like, like, because you get like a lifetime membership and there's no women on this whole island, not allowed. So why would you choose that if you were going to choose one?

25:17 Because dude, like I feel as like a part, I don't say partial religious, but like, you know, a non-denominational Christian, right? Like that's working for me right now. But if there was something like a calling that I felt compelled to pursue, I would feel best going to the place that it's like you said, Jordan, like it's the most unaltered, I guess. Like it's the rawest form of the religion. So if I want to pursue a higher level of my, my religion, I'm going to go, you know, straight there with the sources. Like I told my dad, like if my mom and my wife die, or not die, like disappear, I don't know, whatever, we're both going to just go to Mount Athos and become monks there. Like it's cool. We got, we'll, we'll link a YouTube documentary down below if you want to check it out. But it is, it's interesting. Like when the dude went there, they had all this cool stuff. And he's like, y'all got a museum, the interview guy, he's like, well, no, it's not a museum for us. It's still living. Like it's not history, because it's what they still are. Yeah. And like, there's one part of the video where, spoiler alert, what happens when you die on Mount Athos, right? I don't know what they do, but they had a, like a little fucking area in

26:48 one of these fields, right? And it was just skulls, like over like a thousand of them, dude. And the dude, the monk that was explaining was happy. He's like, yeah, I consider these my future neighbors. Like it is such a, I don't know, like these people seem so like powered by the religion because it was such a raw thing for them. Because they're not scared of anything. They're not. Okay. This dude, this monk that they were interviewing, right? His dad was dying back in the U S and the dad asked the monk, the dad asked the monk to come see him again. The monk said no.

27:29 And the reporter asked, and he's like, well, I know we're going to see each other again. So why would I do that? I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, sorry for interrupting, but my, my wife has had like this cough for like three months and she's got to go to the scans and blood tests and all this. And so we've kind of been like joking, like, Oh, what would you do? What would you do if I died? Or what would you do if I died? Or like all these questions that you kind of the lovely hypotheticals, the hypotheticals, right? But generally, but generally this is the, the crux of the Christian faith is like, there's a verse in the Bible and it says to live is Christ and to die is gain. And what that means is like the life to come is so much better than the life now. Not, but the life now has meaning and purpose because we're here to glorify God, but the life to come is way better. And so we have no kind of idea of fear or pain or kind of almost like being scared of death or anything like that. We don't, we just don't feel it at all.

28:48 That's what's perplexing to me about the people who don't believe in any God. It's like, you know, we don't see him, there's no evidence, whatever it's like, okay, say you're right. Say you're right. There is nothing after we die that makes death a thousand times more terrifying. Yeah, no, I, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, like I'm sorry. I'd rather would rather have than not need than need and not have like much. I feel a lot better just believing that something's up there watching me and that I have somewhere, somewhere to do somewhere to go something to do when I do pass away to where it's not so morbid being right here where I am already. Yeah. It's like, say they are right. There is nothing after like, I mean, the hard parts done at that point, like death, death is not like death does not like being dead does not scare me. Like being before I was born, you know, it's the process of dying that I think frightens the most.

29:50 Yeah. What do you say? Yeah. I think, I mean, I think that stands true for, I don't know, like you said, you said you think death, death is what scares you, but the process of dying is what does not afraid of being afraid of dying. Yeah. I mean, I don't like, yeah, I would be fine with that. Like I, I don't know. I don't, I w the process of death just links to what death is. So I feel like I'm not scared of the process of death. I know that I'd be leaning, let's say, let's just say I need a lung transplant, some crazy shit. I only have one lung now, and now I live on a respirator, whatever it is. And that's the, the starting of the process of death. Well, my, the start of my process of death was when I was a child. So I, it's not even, it's not scary.

30:46 Or now that I'm closer to it, it's just more part of the process, but there's like, there's so many painful ways to die. Yeah. Let's not get into this. I mean, yeah, of course there is, but no matter what the way you go, I mean, I want, I'm curious what Jordan has to say about it. Cause no matter what the way I'm dying in, I know whatever it is, you could stay true in your faith that you are going to a better place. So you, in my mind, if that is my mindset, then I'm, I'm fine with the process of whatever's happening because I know that when I'm done with this, I'll be fine. And that's, I mean, maybe that's just because that's the way the army taught me is get this shit done.

31:31 And when you're done with it, you're good to go, but get to get the suffering out the way. And when I'm done with it, I'm good to go and I'm dead. And now I can live, live a happier life with my grandma and my dogs up there or whatever it is. Yeah. Like I was thinking just now, like whatever pain you experience is going to stay with you on earth. Right. Yeah. Like I cut your head off. You're not going to be ascending to heaven with no head, man. And it's, you know, and I said this from days like day eight, I swear to God from like day eight, I was telling my brothers that pain is really nothing. And they're like, dude, are you fucking nuts? Like, yeah, pain is something. And I'm telling you, I had this belief ever since I was like, probably like eight years old, that pain is really nothing. It's not really anything. It's just like a kind of weird feeling, whatever that is to you, whatever pain is to you, that's what whatever. But I was the one in the family known for the bruises on my knees because I was a clumsy idiot or whatever it is. I was the dude getting the black eyes. I was the dude with the concussions. I was the dude with all this bullshit happening to me, the problem child. And I saw the pain as just, you know, it's just part of it. Like it's just pain is just another part of life. It's not really a thing because maybe it's because I thought I don't know what it was. I honestly don't know what it does. I'm curious what Jordan thinks about all of it though, because he said, I had an interesting, interesting view on death, man. What do you see?

33:06 See that? Well, I know that without believing in Jesus, you're going to hate suffering. If I don't believe in Jesus, I'm going to hate something. So the implication, yeah, because like you say like, I'd rather believe in something than nothing, which is true. I understand. But you believing in something doesn't mean you're going to get to that something. And I think when it's artificially kind of made up in your head since whatever day, when it comes to that point of suffering, when there's people who are around you, your kids, your grandkids, you're going to hate it.

34:08 But if you know Jesus and you for sure know that there's eternal life, it's going to make it a bit easier. That was a good way of putting it. That's yeah, that's kind of, yeah, that's kind of how I see it. But I'm not, I don't have a religious background, so I can't talk like in that way because I so this is a good, good kind of segue is like, like kind of how you see the church. What do you see the church as? Do you are you're still attending church? So what do you see? The point of going to church, if you are just without church, you're a religious man and you're reading the Bible and you're reformed, you're going through the Bible for the phrases that they mean. And then you go back to church. What, why go back to church or why are you in, in that establishment? Because that is a big question in America in general.

34:57 Look, I could go read the Bible on my own. I don't need a church to come and tell me what is the purpose of a church. Okay. Well, it's a, it's an establishment of God rather than buildings and infrastructure. So the church is what they call the bride of Christ. It's essentially like God's people and God's people are commanded to do certain things. Number, the first one is to meet often. Number two is to pray together and number three is to worship.

35:39 And also in the Bible, the people that are called to be pastors, leaders, shepherds, all of these people. So that's why there's church essentially. So it's not technically the building. You know, everyone is in the church, wherever country you're in. And that church is built up of believers because believers are commanded to meet together. And that so happens to fall on the Sunday, which we believe to be the Sabbath or rest day. And yeah, so that's why I go to church really because it's command given.

36:25 And the Bible says, if you love the Lord, you keep my commands. And the Bible says, if you love the Lord, you keep my commands. Yeah. I mean, at the very least you're getting a sense of community. It's a great community. Very loving people, as you can imagine. Yeah. That's why I think I'll bring it up again though, is I think being part of any religion is better than being part of them. Like that's where I think like whatever church you're going to, like people need community, right? And if it's religion, that I think is a lot more of a, it's a lot more positive of a community to be a, to be a part of.

37:08 Cause like people are going to find community wherever they go. It's like junkies hang out with other junkies. Like, yeah, yeah. One of the best communities. Well, that's, that's where the cult argument comes in. I'm this is a devil at I'm devils advocate here. Like this, you ask whatever questions you want. It's a community where everyone comes together and then you all are, are part of a service to where there's this one person, pastor shepherd talking down. It's not talking down, right? It's, it's more of explanation. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Explaining it all to the rest of the people.

37:58 That's kind of, that's how you could kind of see it's, it's more of like a teacher than it's like, it's like a student setting. It's like a classroom setting that yeah, with a community founded on one aspect instead of it being, you know, going to school, it's going to church instead of thinking I need an education is think I need faith. Why is there a disconnect there then believing that it's part of like, it's kind of like religion in general is just part of kind of a cult aspect, like just because it's one person talking down on others or is there like, does it make sense what I'm trying to get at? All right, everybody first ad of the mind over matter podcasting series. And it is a doozy. We finally got an ad and finally got a sponsor solid solutions. But Trevor, who are they? Well, they're two handsome young men working diligently behind the scenes for realtors looking to help them get leads. Leads you say, how much is that going to cost? Less than 20 bucks a day. Meaning that that means if I sell one house a month, it pays for itself 10 times over roundabout. How about that? So if y'all know any realtors, if y'all know anyone in your family, anyone, anyone in your friends, anyone in your circle who is a realtor real estate broker, anything, feel free to send them our way. We're

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40:17 Maybe it's not. It's got a negative connotation to it. So maybe that's where I'm coming from. So I just don't I don't see it. I don't I don't have it doesn't make sense to me why you consider something so great like a religion or cult. Well, I think. I think two things. I think any. Any rational. Human who has got it together and you know, goes into a church and and they experiences it and kind of sees the community and sees what's actually going on, kind of will have that realization of being like, oh, actually, this is a nice place. There's plenty of people who go to church because it's a nice place and not because they're Christian. On the other hand, what you have to realize is the Bible talks about that all those who are not Christians. Essentially hate God.

41:16 They're in this they're in this place of basically the dead. Their soul is dead and not being regenerated. Just so they can't love the things of God. And so that's why people bring these allegations and annotations on onto the church because they don't they can't physically understand what the church is or who God is. And so therefore they've labored it like any other cult. We say the same thing about we'd like anybody who picks up a joint, smokes it for the first time will finally understand it. I'm saying the people that are shit talking churches here are not people that have gone to every church and decided it's not for them. It is the people that think they know that there's no such thing as God or any religion. Every religion is false and it's all a cult. Right. It's those kind of people who just think that they know everything and think everyone else is an idiot. And that's why they don't like it. And think about the two. Misery loves company. Right. Yeah. If I'm a miserable person, I don't want you being happy.

42:26 And in a way, they almost substitute religion with something else. Like you see this with the left, especially in America's a large part of them are atheists or you know, they don't believe in any God. Right. Agnostic. But but look at it this way, though, they still have anointed people in their beliefs that you can't make fun of, i.e. the president, the institutions in the US. Yeah. Dr. Fauci, they have blasphemous things that you can't say, i.e. misgendering. So it's gendered and yeah, it's not a it's not that they don't like religion is that they dislike religion with a God. And so humans have naturally then created a religion, but this time it doesn't have a God. But everything else is the same with it.

43:19 Ah, the Bible also says that Jesus says, thank you, he says the world will hate you. I mean, yeah, there you go. So I've been I've been pondering a little bit because everything that's been happening in America, of course, and me and Kevin talked about this yesterday with one of our buddies from I.O. Shout out to you. I believe his name is Brett. It's a good time. We're going to be hopping on Minecraft after this, hopefully. So we'll see. What's going on. We'll see what's happening. But no, we were talking to him. I forgot where I was going with this.

44:01 We were talking to Brett about religion. We were talking to Brett about religion. Oh, son of a bitch. I can't believe this. I can't believe I've done this. A lot of shit with Brett. No. Yeah, we we 100 percent talked a lot of shit with him. But it's. And I was talking about, yeah, how people have like a need for a religion and they'll de facto create one. They just won't understand. Yes, we're we're with a place like America. I don't know if it's like this in the UK. There's people so many there's a large majority of people doubting religion and we're not. We were founded on religion and we know I wouldn't say we really are anymore as a culture.

44:46 So there's not really a way to go back. I don't think we'd have to kind of just start over from ground zero and start up again as a civilization. But then you'd have to found a civilization on something new. And I don't know anything else that is as great as a religion, as great as religion in general to found a country on. What would you found a country on other than religion? Is there anything that comes to mind at all? No. Just because because why? Why? Why would you advocate so hard for religion? So hard for religion and in the masses like this is a civilization. So why would religion be the center point of it then?

45:31 Well, in terms of. Well, we all know that everyone has a moral compass. There is a technical word for that, but I can't think of it right now. So we know so everyone knows like, well, I say everyone, but clearly not everyone, but people know the difference between like good and bad. Right. You can know that in your conscience, like, wow, that was good. That was bad. Obviously, some people are a bit. But there we go. So the thing with religion is that religion creates its foundations on those laws, on those moral laws. And so Christianity obviously have the Ten Commandments, which is vitally important, vitally important now to America and to the UK and other countries. And it's based on that moral law. And without the law, without the law, you know, we don't have, obviously, justice and we have absolute chaos.

46:41 And I think especially the Christian religion is the perfect basis of that governmental law. Yeah, it's I think it kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Like the question is, what do you what would be your values of your society that you're trying to? Yeah. Well, it was more it was more Taylor because what other than religion is there to do it on? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like it depends on if you're founding a country off of like the value for human life, the how sacred a life is, period. You need a religion for that. But if you're one to make a country off of just making money and having fun, fuck you. You don't need a religion for that shit. I mean, yeah, but if you ask me personally, then I have no answer.

47:35 But it's a good question. Very interesting. Well, yeah, because you say we all know right from wrong, right? That's what I was going. Well, yeah, without religion, I could think that it's the right thing for me to do to kill Trevor because of anything. Right. He's a blonde guy. That's wrong. Like that is not objectively a right thing. But in my head, I'm yeah. Right. In my head, I'm right. And so it's like without religion, there is no real source of morality, so to speak. I think there's no better way to create like a over arching authority of power than a religion.

48:15 And you get into a government that gets messy every single damn time. But then people say, you know, religion gets pretty messy, too. There's people saying, you know, religion is the beginning of all wars. Just begins with religion. Oh, that's probably good. You think the wars wouldn't happen without Christians? I'm sorry. Or without religion? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good at fighting. That's true. Because we're not pacifists. I was just going to ask, do you do you believe people are generally good or bad? Bad. And is that a Christian belief? Yes, everyone is. Bad how? Like morally evil or just sinners?

49:00 It's based on the story of creation because God made Adam and Eve and he gave them the ability to have a free will and he gave the ability to choose and do what was right. And yet they chose bad and therefore the whole of mankind is bad. That has been the best explanation. And then Jesus comes down to earth, dies for all of our sins so we can be forgiven and go back to heaven. That's the gospel. So like you can be a good person, right? Like with religion. It's just default is bad.

49:45 Default is bad. When you become a Christian, you the term they use is born again. You see the process that happens is you basically get given a new heart, like a new creation. And so you're still you want to do good. You're still in the doing bad, a ton of bad, but generally your heart is postured towards good. But yeah, everyone, everyone else is bad, inherently bad. I think that's a better way of looking at it too, because now you're focused on all the bad things you're doing in life so that you can fix them. If you believed everyone was good, you wouldn't necessarily focus on all the bad things. You'd focus on all the good things we're good at.

50:31 Good people don't go to heaven. Good people don't go to heaven. Who goes to heaven? Being a Christian doesn't make you good. Like I could not be a Christian and do good all my life, but that doesn't mean I'll go to heaven because that's not how you get to heaven. I do good. Okay, let me I'll play the devil's advocate. If the whole kind of gist with Christianity, right, is that you can be forgiven. Yeah, you repent, right? What stopped me from doing all this crazy stuff and then repenting right before I die? Because I'll be forgiven. Yeah.

51:12 I'll still be saved. Yeah. But then like I could, am I not going to heaven then? Is this the cheat code? Yeah. It's, I'm a Christian, right? If I, if I tomorrow go and murder someone, God doesn't see that sin worse than me looking at another woman in lust. In the sense that his repentance, his forgiveness is the same power like he would just forgive me. But that obviously doesn't give me an excuse to do it. Just putting that out there.

51:54 Yeah, no, for real. Leave that to the Muslims. Like there's a guy, there's a story in the Bible of when Jesus is on the cross, there's a guy next to him on the cross and it's, he's known, he's famous because he's the first man to go to heaven and like he was literally on a cross for the crimes he committed and right there and then God's like, I forgive you. He makes it to heaven. So would I really even need to go to, like I, I'm thinking I could not go to church my entire life, right? If I can be forgiven for that, why would I go to church at all? If I don't have to, because you're commanded to, and if you love God, you would.

52:44 Okay. But like, do you see what I'm saying though? Like if I'm going to be forgiven, regardless of what it's almost an empty command. That sounds like it's hard to, it's hard to articulate, but when you, when you believe in God, you have this heart posture towards God and everything you do, you want to be for his glory. And so like, if he, if his Bible, his word in the Bible says, you know, love your neighbor, go to church, don't take vengeance, turn the other cheek, all these different things. Those are the things that you want to do. And you automatically will do.

53:31 I don't think there'll be a point where you'll be like, I'm just not going to do it. There'll be seasons, maybe, but I think in the end, you will end up doing the things that God has called you to do. Now that's just like, it's a devil's advocate thing. Like, like when you hear people say, you know, if there is a God, why would he allow so much suffering to take place? Yeah. It's a good question. What do you say to those people? I mean, I know what I can say. Like to, that's like the hardest question to answer in the whole of history. But the, what I would say was going back to the creation of story of how sin and bad basically ended up happening in this world. And the fact that everyone now born after Adam is born in this sinful, inherently evil world. God is almighty. He is in control of all things. He does allow all things to happen. But the analogy I give is, does the clay have the right to ask the potter

55:02 what it's doing? Does that make sense? Like as humans, do we have the right to question God and what he does on us? Like, do we have like, God allows suffering. He allows, he allows evil. I mean, he appoints presidents, he appoints everything. And so Christians can be like all in the world and like, Oh my God. But it's like, God is in control. Did I just disconnect? You might have. Yeah, you sound way better. Dude, I thought I mess with my headphone and you just changed everything. It's like my ears pop. Yeah, dude. Oh man. You got me good. You got me good.

55:50 Now I've heard the analogy. Can you hear us? Yeah, I'm back. Yeah. Like the analogy of, like, say you had a kid, right? Like four years old, you're not going to give them everything that they want. You're going to get, just going to want fucking McDonald's and candy. Always. I want McDonald's. Yeah, me too. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't give that to them. Not like they want it, but you know, that's not good for. So I'm thinking, well, you know, maybe this isn't what we wanted, but if it's what we need. Exactly. And, you know, God, God, God is love and God works things for the good of those who love him. So it's, it's all for him, all for his glory. And I just, I don't even have the ability to question it.

56:49 So can you touch on, can you touch on the gay, gay side of things in religion? Oh, I know gay people that are religious and it's not a big deal. And I know people who are religious that are fine with gay people. And now it has become a, a huge thing. Um, because the, the LGBTQ kind of wave is a, like Kevin said, it's kind of like a religion without God and now they're going up against God and what, what is God's perspective of gay, gay people being gay is a sin.

57:37 And, and why, and, and why, why, what's the interpretation? Well, God, um, created them man, man and female, man and female, sorry. And he, the point of creating the man and female was for marriage and procreation. And so God instituted marriage. He instituted it as a bedrock of society between a man and a woman. And the reason it's between a man and a woman is because they, they, them two together can create babies. Therefore anything that, um, is not that is.

58:21 I think you need to look no further than a pride parade to figure out why God was like, hey, maybe not that. Well, that's the ironic part is pride is a sin and they have pride parades. Yeah, dude. It's like, I don't know, like personally, like, okay, you're a Christian guy, right? Like when you interact with gay people, what does that look like? Are you, are you, what does it look like and how do you feel? Yeah. And we're talking to anyone because everyone is talking to a thing or a certain thing. Everyone sins, everyone messes up. So when you talk about like the church and how does they handle it or how would Christian would handle it, it's like, you know, everyone is going to struggle with a temptation or whatever it is. And one person's temptation might be, I don't know, porn or another person's temptation might be having sex with a man or whatever it is. So you call up, we don't judge in that sense, but at the same time, the answer to all of those questions is Jesus. So that's how we handle it. Can I answer your question? Yeah, no. I mean, that makes sense. It's just tough.

59:46 I think that's one of those subjects for it's not really a black and white answer that fits everyone. There's so much nuance. Like if you were to literally take that, it would almost be like, yeah, you would think you go around fucking punching every gay dude. Yeah. Especially like taking the stance as it's a sin that, oh, it's a pro. So now it's a problem to be gay. Like what's for fuck you. Like we're all sinners. That's what he said. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's yeah. And you kind of view it just as if I went out and killed somebody. It's, it's a sin. It's a thing we shouldn't do, but we are doing any old sin. Shouldn't do, but we are doing anyways. We're living with it. So how could you, how could they coexist? Cause right now it's, it's, it's fury. It's a complete mess.

1:00:33 Is there a way to coexist along with gaze? It seems to have been happening for years already, right? You know, we didn't completely abolish gaze back when Christianity was founded. I mean, gay people were in all, you know what I'm saying? Like they were part of our game. Gay. That is we're done. That is it. You know what I'm saying? So good question. Um, it's well, it's tough. I, I have a friend called Frank and, um, he actually used to be gay.

1:01:14 And so he used to have these feelings all the time. Like, I want to be with a man. I love men. I want to have sex with men. And he did do that. He went out and he met with men and had sex with them and, you know, lived this gay active lifestyle. Um, until someone introduced him to church and he started going in this church didn't just go, Oh, your hands like this. You're wearing a rainbow flag. You can't be in here. Do you know what I mean? They said, you know, come in because the answer is here. The answer, he knew he was, it was wrong. He knew it was a struggle. And so the answer is here. The problem is, is that people no longer see it as something bad. And so now it's like this whole construct of yay, gay people. And like, that's kind of where it crossed the line.

1:02:09 In my opinion, where it's like, we kind of just as a church, not just let it be, but kind of, um, yeah, um, give it to God almost and be like, you know, we'll just do what we normally do. They can do what they do, you know, if they come in, welcome, but we're not going to do it. And, but we're not going to, you know, um, change our message because of the culture or change our message because they're going to be offended. You know, we're going to speak to the truth. The Bible says it's the truth that sets you free and we believe the Bible is the truth. So stick to the Bible. You believe that that sets them free. My friend ended up coming to church and now he has his desire to marry a woman and have to make a family and doesn't have these things anymore. That's one of those subjects where I think like personally, like I know a few gay people, right? And I don't think anything about them being gay really, other than that they are like, I know the Bible says it's a sin, right? But like personally, I like I'm talking strictly being gay, right? I don't think that that's a sin or a negative thing or something I should try and cure. Right. And I'm comfortable thinking that even though it contradicts the Bible because I can answer for it. So I get up to the pearly gates. I can,

1:03:40 I can justify why I said that or why I thought that like, yeah, like if I'm wrong on that, so be it, man. But like, I think just a little bit of give and take and all, because I mean, a lot of people might hear, you know, that the Bible says you can't be gay and think like it might, it's impossible for you almost to have a relationship with a gay person, like a friendship, if you think that they're, you know, yeah, bad sitting. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's an interesting one because, you know, like a lot of Christians are just friends with Christians and well, it's because they're Christian, but like, then they tend to like, they don't yoke themselves with, with people, unbelievers, they don't yoke themselves with people who will sleep around and swear and, you know, slander and say the Lord's name in vain or whatever. And so I think that's why generally Christians don't hang around with gay people.

1:04:56 I think a lot of it for us, like Trevor and I is the army, because when you go to the army, there's people from like literally every walk of life. And like, I think that got us, like we became comfortable and, you know, having a tribe, I guess, of people who weren't like us. Yeah. But to me, it's, I've been living like that for so long. It would almost seem, it would be bizarre to be in a community where we all thought the same. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it comes back to the fact that everyone is being gay is a sin. And, you know, everyone is in sin. Everyone has something messed up.

1:05:36 Everyone has something that I'm afraid there's something they're struggling with something, you know, whether that's like unforgiveness or anger or lust, you know. Yeah. I mean, the Bible doesn't condemn judging as such, but it does condemn you know, negatively acting based on those judgments. Does that make sense? I think too. Yeah. If it's like one of those, like if I'm at Judgment Day, right. And I do pretty much everything good, but I don't think being gay is a sin, right? I can't see that being like, oh, I'm not going to get into heaven based off that.

1:06:19 Oh, no, because you're not going to get into heaven. Based on what you do. So that's out of the window. Well, yeah, don't matter then, I guess. It doesn't matter. Like, if I go to heaven, you know, with the completely wrong theology, but you know, I believe in Jesus and get to heaven, then I get to heaven, don't I? Because it's not gonna be like, you know, you hate the gay people. So you can't get there. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's like, we obviously don't know. It's like, what if you do get up to, you know, heaven, it's like, you know, Allah up there. Or, you know, what, one of the other gods that people have made throughout history, you know what I'm saying? Like Christians believe there's only one God and everybody's fake. Yeah, yeah. But my thing is, I think Yeah, yeah. But they do too, you know, it's like, someone's got to be wrong here.

1:07:22 But even then, though, I get up to, I get up to heaven, Allah's sitting at the front door waiting, right? I could justify why I did what I did. That I think is the important. Like, like you could justify. Yeah, but if you can justify, if it's personal, then then anyone can run around justifying themselves. Well, I mean, like, like, I'm saying like, I justify my actions, because I know that they're objectively good. Like, your base is a good. What's up?

1:08:02 It's your judgment of good. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though. Like, if it's your judgment of good. I. Oh, OK. I get up to heaven. Yeah. You're like, well, I thought I was good. The line is. Yeah. OK. No, you got to take a hard stance against people. OK. Well, I mean, should I just take the L at that point? What are you going to what is there to do, Ro? Yo, ain't much else to do at that point, dude. I'll take it out. Just like I did play poker, Ro, like get done three hands in a row and I'm out. All right. Take the L. All right. I. What's the other? Oh, I fold. What other options there, Ro?

1:08:43 I mean, shit. That would be a question. I'm glad we got we got you to like realize that because watching this over, you would have watched it over. You'd be like, oh, shit. I can't. Well, I mean, there's that bias like I am a Christian. So of course, it's going to be biased. Gotcha. Oh, I could justify all the good ideas, but it's like that. That's not that's good to me. Right. Like that's objective based off of my standards and kind of societies on Earth, not a good Lord. We get the next level. Yeah. Yeah, no, I see that. Yeah.

1:09:24 You're I mean, yeah, you all make a great point. Yeah. I will concede. You hope it don't happen, bro. But really, though, what are you going to do? No. Yeah. I mean, if you show up and it's not your God, you're just I mean, it's like you live your whole life on a good moral grounding. That's that's like the downside is you you've lived your life on a fantastic moral grounding and you can't say you live the bad life following God. Right. I get how many people are following God and saying, look, my life is horrible. And then one thing, there'll be any retrospective enough when you're dead. But yeah, who? Never mind. But yeah, I guess.

1:10:04 Yeah, I suppose there is retrospective and I'm pairing to the wrong God. Right. Like, I know that's not the case. But whatever I get up there and some weird like alien thing. I know that I didn't do anything wrong. Like in my head, like I know I did a good job of living just because this God don't think so. And he's going to banish me to hell. You know, it is what it is. But I know I did the right thing. Because of your faith, you specifically not the objectively right thing that the other God wants, but the right thing to me personally. Like that I could live with. Or burn in hell for a turn. Yeah, you got to have the good stuff, bro.

1:10:44 Hey, how to get stuff? How to get going? You ain't going to help be a miserable forever. You're going to have to get stuff. I got to get the good stuff, bro. So, Jordan, what's this for the people who don't know what's this background you got on? Oh, my God. That's what it was. I should change it. No, we're about to close it out here. I'm just we're just going to see what you got, man. It's the OG Rootscape. Yeah, the beautiful old school Rootscape. The beautiful. I've spent hours on that game. Hours on that game. I got I got a final question then or challenge for you is what would your advice be to Christians as a whole?

1:11:33 Good question. The main thing is. Right now, we're in a fight and a very big fight. And so my advice to Christians would be to stand on the truth as much as possible. Don't be afraid of offending people. Don't be afraid of losing friends. Don't be afraid of being hated or being whatever happens. Stand on the truth. Stand on the Bible. Then back down by the culture wars because it is our battle and make sure you get to church every Sunday.

1:12:21 Amen. Amen. Well, Jordan, I appreciate you coming on, man. It's been a long time. Come on, man. I've enjoyed it. Yeah, I know. But yeah, thank you very much. It's interesting. Yeah, not being the most religious guy on the show. Yeah, because normally it's me. Yeah. Now I got a guy to go to to ask all my questions. You're no longer my religion guy. Go ahead, bro. I'm going to be a Muslim anyway. I tried to I tried to be as plain and simple as possible. Yeah. Yeah, the way you answered, I think was was perfect.

1:13:02 I was trying to. Trying to cause cause a ruckus, and I think you held yourself well. Appreciate that. Yeah, you have a very, like, soft spoken, like gentle way about you. It's like you could be explaining something, but like you're you're doing it so like gently and carefully. It's like, oh, I feel better. Like, like if I was gay, right, you're talking about how it's a sin. I could be like, you know, you know, maybe. You know what I'm saying? That's the goal. I get out like, oh, you can't be gay. You're going to hell. It's. Well, that's that's.

1:13:42 That goes with even asking questions towards gay people, too. When we sit down and ask genuine questions towards a gay person, we know. I mean, they know we're coming at it from a good faith situation. You know, it's the same thing here. And especially someone with good faith, you're incredibly well at answering with it. And we you could see it. You could see it in your demeanor. Yeah, I think. Kind of the goal, isn't it? To. To love them to be gentle and soft, but also, you know, I don't hide from the truth. And. I don't hide from the truth and, you know, as simple as I get, I'm quite a simple man in that respect.

1:14:30 I admire that. The simple man, Jordan. Jordan, thanks for coming on, man. Simple, simple, simple British. Give us give us real quick to close it out. Give us. I can't believe you've done this and we'll close it out. Oh, good. We could say some American if you want. Yeah. Perfect. There we go. That's that's perfect. Thanks for everyone for tuning in. Yeah. Thank you all.

1:15:10 Thank you all for tuning in. Thank you very much. And we'll we'll leave Jordan's Twitter down below. He's got an unbelievable mind. Follow him and. All right. Thanks for tuning in again, everybody. We we appreciate it through these tough controversial topics. Those are the fun ones. Be sure to check out our links below, though. We got everything down there in the description. Next episode, though, we do got Miss Rhonda. Kev, you want to go in a little bit? Sure. Yeah. As a hemp connoisseur, as you could say, Rhonda was a natural fit, I think, for us. She's a salesperson of the CBD company.

1:15:51 So she knows a lot about that whole plant and kind of the industry and stuff. And it's it's some interesting stuff to kind of get into because you got the actual medical benefits of it and the whole legal side. But now we're going to get into it. I had a lot of fun with that episode. So yeah, let's get into it. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. Again, links below like, comment, subscribe, get some conversation flowing down there and we'll catch you all next time. Thanks.

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